ext_58757 ([identity profile] melisus.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] cap_ironman2008-11-20 05:16 pm

With a slashy cover like that? I think it's relevant.

Geez, I feel so lame for making THIS my first contribution to the community. ANYWAYS...

I was perusing the Marvel site, getting together the checklist of comics I needed to go out and buy today, and an article describing a new "What If?" comic coming out in December caught my eye.

Fallen Son: Mourning Iron Man
On December 10, Iron Man will die.

Before you fly into a panic, Golden Gladiator fans, know this: it happens in the alternate world of WHAT IF? FALLEN SON #1.

This alternate take on the limited series from which it draws its name swaps Captain America's death for that of his opposite number, Iron Man. As penned by Marc Sumerak with art by Trevor Goring, the one-shot unfolds over the course of the first few days following the founding Avenger's demise, delving into the psychological effects of Tony Stark's death on a Marvel Universe that has already been ravaged by the events of CIVIL WAR.

While Sumerak might be no stranger to the Marvel Universe, he has heretofore done the majority of his work on younger audience-flavored titles like the FRANKLIN RICHARDS or POWER PACK limited series. Despite the difference in tone between his previous work and FALLEN SON, the transition has proven no great hardship.

"Writing WHAT IF? FALLEN SON was definitely a change of pace for me," the writer acknowledges. "The story's somber tone and heavy subject matter were a big step away from the light-hearted, humorous tales I normally get to tell. But, it wasn't nearly as hard as you might imagine to shift those gears. It was just a matter of tapping into what I've always loved about these characters and trying to get that onto the page in a way that the readers could connect with it."

Therefore, despite the death of a cornerstone of the Marvel Universe equaling grim business, Sumerak sees it as offering up a plethora of creative avenues to explore.

"While there's nothing fun about any character dying, it's always interesting to wonder what could have changed," admits Sumerak. "So many major events have surrounded Tony's life of late, it's only logical to think that his death could have brought on big changes as well.

"We will be exploring almost all of the major programs that Tony was spearheading at the time of his death—the Initiative, the Superhuman Registration Act, the Mighty Avengers, Stark Enterprises and more—and showing how his death immediately impacts those institutions and all of the people involved. The reactions of some of Tony's closest friends and allies may surprise you and may change the Marvel Universe in some very profound ways."

Sumerak seeks to ensure that those changes offer rich, complex scenarios worthy of the Marvel Universe, not just pat results. WHAT IF? FALLEN SON aims to challenge readers to draw their own conclusions about what constitutes right and wrong in this alternate universe in much the same way fans have been dissecting and debating the events of the mainstream Marvel U from CIVIL WAR through WORLD WAR HULK and SECRET INVASION.

"When writing the story, I definitely didn't set out to say, 'See? Tony was right all along! Cap's death had to happen!' Sumerak explain. "I simply wanted to explore how one simple change in the course of events could have altered the grand scheme of things. I think this story definitely shows that things would have been 'different,' but whether those differences are 'better' or 'worse' for the Marvel Universe might be a call that the readers need to make for themselves."

Much like the original FALLEN SON limited series ultimately rested on the shoulders of Iron Man, this one-shot uses Captain America as its focal point. However, the Sentinel of Liberty's grief shares the page with a multitude of familiar faces.

"Look for cast members from Mighty Avengers, New Avengers and the Initiative, as well as a number of other special guests," Sumerak teases.

Fans can enter a new era alongside Cap, the Mighty Avengers, and the rest of the Marvel Universe on December 10 by picking up WHAT IF? FALLEN SON #1, when it hits shelves.


And check out the wonderful cover!

Re: In before it gets Jossed

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
T_T

Re: In before it gets Jossed

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Or, you know, something like:

T: "It wasn't worth it. *touches Steve's chest, leaving smudges of his own blood* But this is."

That would totally break me! T_T T_T

Stark successors

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
They'll have to be ethical and capable.

...if Stark doesn't have any relative left...what about Meredith McCall? They were together in college before their parents broke them up due to company rivalry. If Tony's parents are watching in the afterlife though, I'll bet that they REALLY regret it now, considering Tony's many OTHER much more harmful love interests.

If Stark and McCall were rivals, they were probably in similar business.

Ditto for Rumiko Fujikawa's family. Her father seems like one of those Lesser Evil rivals, having only brought the company legitimately when Tony Stark was apparently dead. Her father also conceded to Rumiko's wish and sold Tony 49% of the company back. He also raised Rumiko, who was alright, she cheated on him, but cheating is unfortunately a common sin, and she felt badly about it.

Both McCall and Fujikawa could have been linked to Stark by marriage and some point in time, so it makes sense.

Re: In before it gets Jossed

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Cause dying? Totally worth it if you get to die in Steve Roger's arms! < / Insane Tony Logic >

Re: In before it gets Jossed

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Well, as far as it's Insane Tony Logic, dying instead of/to save Steve is always totally worth it.

The ol' MUST.SAVE.STEVE. imperative.

re: bastard child

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
It could have been a planned bastard child, there are quite a few independent women these days, who might want a child without getting married. Former Canadian PM, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, had fathered the daughter of Deborah Coyne, in such an arrangement (they will never stay together, she wanted a child of with his genes which she will raise).

Don't see how he could have hid it from the other Avengers...but it's possible that he did it before he realise how dangerous the superhero life would be and cut off contact. It's also possible that he did it BEFORE Afghanistan, when he suspect that he might never marry or died young, and here's a very flattering proposal from a woman who he knows will be a good mother.

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
*has a crack mental imagery of the empty suit resting a hand on Steve's shoulder*

[identity profile] ladyloscar.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
ooooooh... i HAVE to have THAT issue. It sounds certainly interesting what with the whole "let the reader decide if it´s better or not" thing ~supposedly~ going on.

I for one would LOVE a story arc where tony is surprisingly NOT the ass... (and in this what if he´s dead... NOBODY talks bad about dead people ~YAY~)

Tony is one of the major player in the game... so YES his death would be felt by many, i think .. (I can see a happy spider dancing in the streets ö.ö") Would they (the writers) let Sharon become even more Mary-sue? Will Cap cry?



AArgh... Great.. now i have to fly over there just to get a COMIC ^____^ ... new york ich komme

~sorry, seriously sleep deprieved here..

Re: : Predicitions COD and reactions from various people

[identity profile] ladyloscar.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
why not "tony transfering personality via extremis to the main-computer of StarkIndustries" (before or after confessing his undying love for cap..)???

I mean there HAS to be some kind of back-up plan... you talking about TONY STARK... controlfreak extraordinaire.. he wouldn´t take a chance with something like suddenly dying... would he?

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
That would be quite creepy, actually.

Re: bastard child

[identity profile] mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Tony's too much of a control freak for us not to know, though. I could see him thinking he'd be a bad father and so make arrangements with some independent woman like that, but he'd want regular progress reports and would at least consult on things like schools and such.

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
It saw how much Cap loves the shield and it wants in.

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
LOL!

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
...and then droid!Tony(he had a backup made of his katra consciousness in case he kicks the bucket), stomps in, and is like, "you hypocrite!", prompting Steve to go, 0_0'

The armor at this point, grabs Steve, "you've never loved me", and there is a cat robot war fight.

Whatever the heck happens to the armor, in the end, Steve would ended up having to double date with Wanda and The Vision while Clint and Peter watches on In Horror. Reed and Hank might be envious, of Tony, who doesn't have to sleep now and will get to geek way more.

Re: Oh, that would be lovely

[identity profile] dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, of the whole thing? This:
Reed and Hank might be envious, of Tony, who doesn't have to sleep now and will get to geek way more.
was THE BEST PART!

:D

[identity profile] cosmicbiscuit.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
(and in this what if he´s dead... NOBODY talks bad about dead people ~YAY~)

You'd be surprised. There was a lot of glee from certain areas of the internet when Jessie Helms bit the dust, for example. Not that he and Stark are particularly comparable, just saying that being dead isn't going to protect you from people who hate your guts.

[identity profile] twins-eternal.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
In Marvel’s latest WHAT IF? special, Iron Man takes the bullet that felled Captain America—we get the score from Marc Sumerak

Based on that, at least, it looks like that Tony gets in the way of the sharpshooter. I don't think it would do justice to the character is he was shot by a Cap groupie or in a Lincolnesque way. I mean the guys only died for Steve what, four times by now? If he doesn't die by saving Steve from the sharpshooter, I don't think it would fit the character we've come to know.
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True

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
That would be soap operaish.

...but it's possible that he did it before he realise how dangerous the superhero life would be and cut off contact. It's also possible that he did it BEFORE Afghanistan, when he suspect that he might never marry or died young, and here's a very flattering proposal from a woman who he knows will be a good mother.

And the child would just waltz in and assume command of SI? I can't see that happening.
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True dat

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 09:21 am (UTC)(link)
Now that you put it that way. Oh, Stark.

Well, it's something to look forward to from Marvel. Yay?

Re: True dat

[identity profile] twins-eternal.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
If you can call the death of another favorite character something to look foreward to >>;
But I wonder then, if Tony does that, does Sharon still shoot Steve? Or is it that bullet that Tony takes?
i haven't been able to bring myself to read Fallen Son: The Death of Captian America, or ANYTHING of Civil War.... so i don't really know what happens when Steve dies ;_;


;_; damn you, Marvel.
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You might want to read Fallen son, at least?

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, it will be richer if you do. Especially when Tony Stark gives his send off to Steve before he casts him to the deep.

Re: In before it gets Jossed

[identity profile] hohaiyee.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I was more thinking of, insane tony logic thinking, that fighting with Steve wasn't worth it, but dying in itself was worth being in Steve's arms.

[identity profile] prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
It'll be interesting if they really run with it. Tony's not well-liked in Marvel at this point in the continuity (not that he's gotten more popular since), but he's either running or is the power behind so many operations that there's a lot that'd start falling apart without him. And for all his flaws, he brings down all that on himself because he wants to do the right thing.

So, especially if he actually takes a bullet for Steve (ohpleaseohplease), it could be interesting to play with all that, and to see a hero essentially martyred and barely mourned. And then there's the angle that he's been self-destructive for a long time, and this is kind of like suicide without the guilt.

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