Ah I totally didn't even NOTICE Thor, man, I have to watch it again.
Okay, revising my speculation: it's a potential future that Wanda shows Tony.
Mostly, I think breaking the shield is one of those things you can only do ONCE in the series and have it be effective, so it's the kind of thing I'd hope they'd wait on, though since there's speculation that Andy Serkis is playing Klaw and that means T'challa might show up, maybe breaking the shield is how we introduce Black Panther? I'm not sure how much I trust that speculation, though.
Anger at Bruce/Natasha is stemming from a lot of people feeling like it reduces Natasha to a romantic interest, mostly on the basis of the fact that Whedon has repeatedly stated that Hulk is his favorite Avenger and he wants to have Hulk feature more in this film since they'r departing from the Hulk movies that got made. So the thinking is that Whedon is shoving the most significant female character into a relationship because it's what he wants for Bruce. I feel like there's enough in Avengers to establish the possibility (the scene in India, the "we could use a little worse" line), but I know a lot of people don't see it at all, or are holding out for a ship with someone she's got an established more significant relationship with, like Clint or Steve, or they want to see her in a relationship with Bucky as in the comics, so they're disappointed.
I get it on a certain level: I know a lot of the fic for the ship is either creepy and Stockholmy, or completely ignores the chase on the helicarrier, and is often a pair the spares ship, so I think people in fandom are coming to it with that at the back of their minds. I really didn't like the ship until I actually started writing it, so I do understand why people have a strong reaction to it-- I literally wrote it to see if there was any way I could make it feel plausible to me, or if it was a lost cause. I pretty much fell in love with it, but I can see why other people might not have the same response.
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Okay, revising my speculation: it's a potential future that Wanda shows Tony.
Mostly, I think breaking the shield is one of those things you can only do ONCE in the series and have it be effective, so it's the kind of thing I'd hope they'd wait on, though since there's speculation that Andy Serkis is playing Klaw and that means T'challa might show up, maybe breaking the shield is how we introduce Black Panther? I'm not sure how much I trust that speculation, though.
Anger at Bruce/Natasha is stemming from a lot of people feeling like it reduces Natasha to a romantic interest, mostly on the basis of the fact that Whedon has repeatedly stated that Hulk is his favorite Avenger and he wants to have Hulk feature more in this film since they'r departing from the Hulk movies that got made. So the thinking is that Whedon is shoving the most significant female character into a relationship because it's what he wants for Bruce. I feel like there's enough in Avengers to establish the possibility (the scene in India, the "we could use a little worse" line), but I know a lot of people don't see it at all, or are holding out for a ship with someone she's got an established more significant relationship with, like Clint or Steve, or they want to see her in a relationship with Bucky as in the comics, so they're disappointed.
I get it on a certain level: I know a lot of the fic for the ship is either creepy and Stockholmy, or completely ignores the chase on the helicarrier, and is often a pair the spares ship, so I think people in fandom are coming to it with that at the back of their minds. I really didn't like the ship until I actually started writing it, so I do understand why people have a strong reaction to it-- I literally wrote it to see if there was any way I could make it feel plausible to me, or if it was a lost cause. I pretty much fell in love with it, but I can see why other people might not have the same response.