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cap_ironman2008-10-30 01:24 am
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Like Rubbing Salt Into the Wound...
Ok, due to the recent post about Cap's lingering spirit showing up in the new Thor coming out ( Thor #11, I believe), I remembered a certian vid that I had watched about Cap and his death. After watching it, I was irritated. The more I thought about what had been said, the more pissed off I got. And I want to know what you guys think of it.
Not sure if this has been posted here but it's basically Cap's death on the news:
I feel that I could write several pages worth in response to all the things that piss me off in this thing but I will make it short in asking all of you this:
I'm I over-reacting to this?
Am I wrong in being mad at not only the Editor but also these "fans" that basically give Cap the completely short end of the stick?
Am I wrong in being mad that these people try to say it's "ok he's dead" because his death had meaning and he wasn't really relevant any more?
"Not relevant"? A man who did nothing but promote and defend personal liberty and freedom is not relevant? Granted he was a man out of time, but he was a GOOD man. He was even afucking artist, for God's sake, how many super-heroes are artists?!
His death had meaning? Why? How? Because the present Editor at Marvel demands that his writers make them "meaningful" by being permenant? No. It wasn't meaningful - it was meaningless. Just like when JFK was shot down, just like when so many good, no, great men were shot down. How is a violent death like that "meaningful"? And to make it worse, the blame is put on Tony, Cap's best friend and practically-canonized-exwife. Don't even get me started on the shit-storm that is being hurled at Tony and the complete and utter gang-rape of his character in the recent Marvel storylines, that is a whole other discussion.
Why is it that practically every other character in the Marvel universe gets revived AT LEAST TWICE but Cap gets, basically, jack shit? Oh, just to make this clear, him waking up from the ice DOES NOT COUNT AS A REVIVAL.
I just don't understand this anymore - I really don't.
If this is some sort of ploy to "test" us and see how long we stick around till they bring Cap back it is really shitty of them and even worse writing on their part.
I just want to know that I am not alone in feeling this way. That I am in some way justified in wanting to slap the people in this video and fire the editor at Marvel and every other "edgy" writer involved in the CW, Secret Invasion, and new CA storylines (and any other horrible storylines I am forgetting).
I'm not accepting Bucky as the new Captain America and quite frankly I never will. In my completely biased opinion, he's a goddamn wuss-ass. Cap never carried a gun, he didn't like them, he didn't need them. He was above that. And Bucky toting a gun in the Cap costume is, in my opinion, disrespectful to his memory (especially considering how he died) and to everything he stood for. Cap didn't need a gun, he survived many years and many battles without one. He proved that guns didn't always win a battle.
He was - IS - a good man. A good character. He deserved a hell of a better death than the one he got and a hell of a better send off than the ones in this vid.
I think those are the things that piss me off the most...the video just reinforces it.
Not sure if this has been posted here but it's basically Cap's death on the news:
I feel that I could write several pages worth in response to all the things that piss me off in this thing but I will make it short in asking all of you this:
I'm I over-reacting to this?
Am I wrong in being mad at not only the Editor but also these "fans" that basically give Cap the completely short end of the stick?
Am I wrong in being mad that these people try to say it's "ok he's dead" because his death had meaning and he wasn't really relevant any more?
"Not relevant"? A man who did nothing but promote and defend personal liberty and freedom is not relevant? Granted he was a man out of time, but he was a GOOD man. He was even a
His death had meaning? Why? How? Because the present Editor at Marvel demands that his writers make them "meaningful" by being permenant? No. It wasn't meaningful - it was meaningless. Just like when JFK was shot down, just like when so many good, no, great men were shot down. How is a violent death like that "meaningful"? And to make it worse, the blame is put on Tony, Cap's best friend and practically-canonized-
Why is it that practically every other character in the Marvel universe gets revived AT LEAST TWICE but Cap gets, basically, jack shit? Oh, just to make this clear, him waking up from the ice DOES NOT COUNT AS A REVIVAL.
I just don't understand this anymore - I really don't.
If this is some sort of ploy to "test" us and see how long we stick around till they bring Cap back it is really shitty of them and even worse writing on their part.
I just want to know that I am not alone in feeling this way. That I am in some way justified in wanting to slap the people in this video and fire the editor at Marvel and every other "edgy" writer involved in the CW, Secret Invasion, and new CA storylines (and any other horrible storylines I am forgetting).
I'm not accepting Bucky as the new Captain America and quite frankly I never will. In my completely biased opinion, he's a goddamn wuss-ass. Cap never carried a gun, he didn't like them, he didn't need them. He was above that. And Bucky toting a gun in the Cap costume is, in my opinion, disrespectful to his memory (especially considering how he died) and to everything he stood for. Cap didn't need a gun, he survived many years and many battles without one. He proved that guns didn't always win a battle.
He was - IS - a good man. A good character. He deserved a hell of a better death than the one he got and a hell of a better send off than the ones in this vid.
I think those are the things that piss me off the most...the video just reinforces it.
You are NOT alone on this...
First of all, I can't believe those people call themselves fans of Captain America. Hell, it wouldn't shock me if they weren't really fans of Cap, but of other comics/characters and only had second hand experience with him. I mean, I look around on this and other various LJ communities, and I have NEVER heard anyone being that nonchalant and uncaring about his character. 'People don't want Nice Guys anymore?' Are they kidding?! I have no problem with conflicted, complicated "angsty" characters when they're well done, but honestly, since when did nice start to equal boring and angsty/dark start to equal automatically interesting?? A lot of the people I know LIKE the nice guys! They balance things out! gah...
And Quesada's comments... I'd understand the whole 'I don't want it to be random deaths and rebirths for the hell of it' sentiment normally... Except that's what his death kinda was. I don't think it was 'meaningless' per say (if only because of how much it effected the people who read the comic, and mostly that because Cap's never really died before) but it certainly wasn't as meaningful in the broader sense as he made it out to be! I think him coming back would be MUCH more meaningful than his actual death, especially given the events of Thor #11 (which actually supplies the basis for at least three different methods of bringing him back I can think of off the top of my head that'll work).
I think what really pissed me off the most was the attitude of the news casters... They barely touched on the character, they portrayed him purely as a propaganda tool and "old fashioned" superhero, with little or no talk about what the character was actually like. They barely even mentioned his real name! Was he originally a propaganda character? Of course, just like many, many others who are *gasp* still around and considered quite relevant! So why is he being singled out? Scratch that, it's not too hard to tell; politics, drama, blah blah blah. And there is so, so much more to Steve than that! Gah... I can't even explain it properly.
God, that video is like exactly what BlueJediGhost!Cap was complaining about, people using him for their agendas and such... They kept trying to imply throughout the whole thing that the 'death' of the character who represented American Idealism stood for the death of said Idealism today... This is why I get my news online, I don't get the annoying-ass attitudes and depressing overview that comes with live newscasters...
Uh...
Wow. That kinda went on for a bit. Sorry 'bout that ^^; But yeah, the summary is that I don't think you're overreacting, and I completely sympathize.
On a final note, I read some scans of the new BuckyPretendingToBeCap comics and... Wow. I didn't expect it to feel so... wrong. I hadn't bothered to actually read any before and didn't realize how much it would make me squirm. Not that I didn't think it'd bother me, but I didn't expect it to do so to the extent it does... No, Bucky is not Captain America. He really just isn't.
BTW, when exactly was this video made? It was right after Cap's death, right?
Re: You are NOT alone on this...
Seriously, why the fuck aren't you and Dark writing these comics or attempting too? You make more sense than the actual writers do. :/
I'll also carry your babahs, if you'd like! XD
Re: You are NOT alone on this...