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Like Rubbing Salt Into the Wound...
Ok, due to the recent post about Cap's lingering spirit showing up in the new Thor coming out ( Thor #11, I believe), I remembered a certian vid that I had watched about Cap and his death. After watching it, I was irritated. The more I thought about what had been said, the more pissed off I got. And I want to know what you guys think of it.
Not sure if this has been posted here but it's basically Cap's death on the news:
I feel that I could write several pages worth in response to all the things that piss me off in this thing but I will make it short in asking all of you this:
I'm I over-reacting to this?
Am I wrong in being mad at not only the Editor but also these "fans" that basically give Cap the completely short end of the stick?
Am I wrong in being mad that these people try to say it's "ok he's dead" because his death had meaning and he wasn't really relevant any more?
"Not relevant"? A man who did nothing but promote and defend personal liberty and freedom is not relevant? Granted he was a man out of time, but he was a GOOD man. He was even afucking artist, for God's sake, how many super-heroes are artists?!
His death had meaning? Why? How? Because the present Editor at Marvel demands that his writers make them "meaningful" by being permenant? No. It wasn't meaningful - it was meaningless. Just like when JFK was shot down, just like when so many good, no, great men were shot down. How is a violent death like that "meaningful"? And to make it worse, the blame is put on Tony, Cap's best friend and practically-canonized-exwife. Don't even get me started on the shit-storm that is being hurled at Tony and the complete and utter gang-rape of his character in the recent Marvel storylines, that is a whole other discussion.
Why is it that practically every other character in the Marvel universe gets revived AT LEAST TWICE but Cap gets, basically, jack shit? Oh, just to make this clear, him waking up from the ice DOES NOT COUNT AS A REVIVAL.
I just don't understand this anymore - I really don't.
If this is some sort of ploy to "test" us and see how long we stick around till they bring Cap back it is really shitty of them and even worse writing on their part.
I just want to know that I am not alone in feeling this way. That I am in some way justified in wanting to slap the people in this video and fire the editor at Marvel and every other "edgy" writer involved in the CW, Secret Invasion, and new CA storylines (and any other horrible storylines I am forgetting).
I'm not accepting Bucky as the new Captain America and quite frankly I never will. In my completely biased opinion, he's a goddamn wuss-ass. Cap never carried a gun, he didn't like them, he didn't need them. He was above that. And Bucky toting a gun in the Cap costume is, in my opinion, disrespectful to his memory (especially considering how he died) and to everything he stood for. Cap didn't need a gun, he survived many years and many battles without one. He proved that guns didn't always win a battle.
He was - IS - a good man. A good character. He deserved a hell of a better death than the one he got and a hell of a better send off than the ones in this vid.
I think those are the things that piss me off the most...the video just reinforces it.
Not sure if this has been posted here but it's basically Cap's death on the news:
I feel that I could write several pages worth in response to all the things that piss me off in this thing but I will make it short in asking all of you this:
I'm I over-reacting to this?
Am I wrong in being mad at not only the Editor but also these "fans" that basically give Cap the completely short end of the stick?
Am I wrong in being mad that these people try to say it's "ok he's dead" because his death had meaning and he wasn't really relevant any more?
"Not relevant"? A man who did nothing but promote and defend personal liberty and freedom is not relevant? Granted he was a man out of time, but he was a GOOD man. He was even a
His death had meaning? Why? How? Because the present Editor at Marvel demands that his writers make them "meaningful" by being permenant? No. It wasn't meaningful - it was meaningless. Just like when JFK was shot down, just like when so many good, no, great men were shot down. How is a violent death like that "meaningful"? And to make it worse, the blame is put on Tony, Cap's best friend and practically-canonized-
Why is it that practically every other character in the Marvel universe gets revived AT LEAST TWICE but Cap gets, basically, jack shit? Oh, just to make this clear, him waking up from the ice DOES NOT COUNT AS A REVIVAL.
I just don't understand this anymore - I really don't.
If this is some sort of ploy to "test" us and see how long we stick around till they bring Cap back it is really shitty of them and even worse writing on their part.
I just want to know that I am not alone in feeling this way. That I am in some way justified in wanting to slap the people in this video and fire the editor at Marvel and every other "edgy" writer involved in the CW, Secret Invasion, and new CA storylines (and any other horrible storylines I am forgetting).
I'm not accepting Bucky as the new Captain America and quite frankly I never will. In my completely biased opinion, he's a goddamn wuss-ass. Cap never carried a gun, he didn't like them, he didn't need them. He was above that. And Bucky toting a gun in the Cap costume is, in my opinion, disrespectful to his memory (especially considering how he died) and to everything he stood for. Cap didn't need a gun, he survived many years and many battles without one. He proved that guns didn't always win a battle.
He was - IS - a good man. A good character. He deserved a hell of a better death than the one he got and a hell of a better send off than the ones in this vid.
I think those are the things that piss me off the most...the video just reinforces it.
Re: Queseda and Millar make me want to hurl
IAWTC. I'm pretty new to the Avengers universe, but I've been reading back issues like a maniac for the past few months, and the impression I've formed so far is that Steve will always do what he believes is right, regardless of consequences. If the consequences are bad, he'll feel terrible about it, but the knowledge that he did the right thing will sustain him. Tony, OTOH, never does anything without considering the consequences (to others, anyhow -- he's all too willing to disregard consequences to himself), and he'll do things he knows are wrong if he thinks it'll produce the best outcome.
Which means when things go wrong, he doesn't really have anything to sustain him, not even the knowledge that he'd stuck to his principles. No wonder the guy's permanently depressed.