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cap_ironman2008-11-18 12:16 am
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.So... I heard Jeph Loeb was currently trying to make Ultimates not suck. I take it this is the result? *grins*
If the Ultimates take on Hank and Jan didn't make me want to spit nails, I might almost be tempted to read it now ^_^.
If the Ultimates take on Hank and Jan didn't make me want to spit nails, I might almost be tempted to read it now ^_^.
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...my god. I might have to give the Ultimates a second chance. Considering they made me hate Cap and Tony, which is no easy feat, we'll have to try this.... *WARY*
*wibbles* Of course Tony saved Steve. Jeff Loeb thank you for reminding me why I love you.
Aaah, the good old hug-n-fly, revisited. Figures the Ultimates version would be depressing. Sure, he saved Steve, but what about everyone else? (sigh)
But it means he went after Steve above everyone else! It means Steve is special *glee*
(and it makes it the second time he's done so if you count novels)
(and it makes it the second time he's done so if you count novels)
ULTIMATES! YAY!
maybe I will by the third volume when it comes out. I was warned by a fair amount of people that the storyling and chataerization were lacking but *meh*
I like Ultimates too much not to get Vol 3 I think, and this just adds to the need.
maybe I will by the third volume when it comes out. I was warned by a fair amount of people that the storyling and chataerization were lacking but *meh*
I like Ultimates too much not to get Vol 3 I think, and this just adds to the need.
Ha! Now there's a precident for Ultimate Tony/Steve touching...
which novel? (not that i will ever read more ultimates /spite)
Which issue is this?
LAWLZ. I have like, trades in the post, and am contemplating putting the comic on my pull list, instead of buying the issues piece meal.
LAWLZ. I have like, trades in the post, and am contemplating putting the comic on my pull list, instead of buying the issues piece meal.
for ultimates now. But yeah, I hear you. I like Ultimates the crack ficciness of it aside.
Tony's a proper skeaze in Ultimates, but his fits of generosity makes me like him. For instance, when he gave Captain America his old WWII helmet, and despite Tony's misgivings, fashioned a T'challa suit for Steve so that the latter could be near Jan. Also, Tony just doesn't take himself seriously, I think it's because of his mortality and all.
Steve's self righteousness tends to get to me at times, but then I remember that he's really a man out of his time, and bless him, he's trying. I think he should just forget Jan though. For serious.
I treat Ultimates as if it's crack fic. I know this is the script that Marvel movies are supposedly studying (I think IM: the movie was based on a composite of both 616 and Ultimate Tony) hence the black Nick Fury.
If anything, I can recommend The Ultimate Avengers feature length cartoon. It's Cap centric, but he's more earnest than a dick.
Steve's self righteousness tends to get to me at times, but then I remember that he's really a man out of his time, and bless him, he's trying. I think he should just forget Jan though. For serious.
I treat Ultimates as if it's crack fic. I know this is the script that Marvel movies are supposedly studying (I think IM: the movie was based on a composite of both 616 and Ultimate Tony) hence the black Nick Fury.
If anything, I can recommend The Ultimate Avengers feature length cartoon. It's Cap centric, but he's more earnest than a dick.
WOOT Man, I'm still not certain about Ultimate!verse cap and ironman... but THE SLASH HAS BEGUN. We already have the hug and fly! Woohoo!
I take it this is the result? *grins*
This is from Ultimatum...I think I heard from scans_daily that this is going to be the end of the ultimate-verse...is that now a good or a bad thing?
This is from Ultimatum...I think I heard from scans_daily that this is going to be the end of the ultimate-verse...is that now a good or a bad thing?
Tony flat out pissed me OFF in Ultimates. Not as bad as Cap, however. Like, seriously. I HATE Ultimate!Cap with a passion. Like, reading more than an issue or 2 at a time will make me violently twitch. My friends can attest to this. I started ranting on Twitter when I went back and tried to reread it.
U!Cap is everything that was wrong with the 40s, as![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mechanicaljewel said. 616!Cap is everything that's RIGHT with it. And I agree, whole heartedly.
...if they DARE make the movies more Ultimate than 616, I think I'm going to scream. The fact that SLJ is supposed to stay as Fury is making me uneasy. Same with the whole "Avenger Initiative." I don't MIND the 'verse itself....just the way our boys end up. I love Tony, a lot, but Ultimates!Tony? There's what, 2 very different versions of him. I picked it up, was "meh" about it, mostly read because of Orson Scott Card and...bleh.
I LOVED Loeb. He's fantastic as a writer. ...of course, Ultimates is Mark Millar~ Is it any wonder I hate it as much as I do?
U!Cap is everything that was wrong with the 40s, as
mechanicaljewel said. 616!Cap is everything that's RIGHT with it. And I agree, whole heartedly. ...if they DARE make the movies more Ultimate than 616, I think I'm going to scream. The fact that SLJ is supposed to stay as Fury is making me uneasy. Same with the whole "Avenger Initiative." I don't MIND the 'verse itself....just the way our boys end up. I love Tony, a lot, but Ultimates!Tony? There's what, 2 very different versions of him. I picked it up, was "meh" about it, mostly read because of Orson Scott Card and...bleh.
I LOVED Loeb. He's fantastic as a writer. ...of course, Ultimates is Mark Millar~ Is it any wonder I hate it as much as I do?
>> Cap also thinks Tony's the biggest jackass that's ever lived. Then again, Cap is totally hellbent on staying in Jan's bed. :\
I just treat The Ultimates as crack fic. I think the novelizations are good (Tomorrow's men and... Against all Enemies) in that Tony is proper snarky, and really gets his hits in, especially when he and Steve start snarking off at each other. LOL.
I don't read Ultimate Ironman much, I think Tony Stark in The Ultimates is a more palpable version. I do like 616 Tony Stark though, in the sense that he does try to live up to the notion of to whom much is given, much is expected. The Ult Tony? Not so much, but he seems to be getting there... in tiny steps.
I don't read Ultimate Ironman much, I think Tony Stark in The Ultimates is a more palpable version. I do like 616 Tony Stark though, in the sense that he does try to live up to the notion of to whom much is given, much is expected. The Ult Tony? Not so much, but he seems to be getting there... in tiny steps.
Yeah, I saw that. I'll wait for the trade. Magneto getting his crazy on is something I need to sit out.
Jan is hellbent on kicking him out and going well... going. If I were NIck Fury, I'd shut that ish down with the quickness though. Jan is too needy, too emotionally effed up to be getting on with anyone. Cap? Is just too messed up to see it. Oy.
Good - in that Hitch is coming back to write The Ultimates?
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2008-11-19 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Loeb's stint is finished after this run. But from what I've gathered, they're going to like, try and have an 'event' in the Ultimates every 12 issues. Man, are they kidding me? The entire Ult universe is always in a state of flux, this won't make it any better.
You must read it, the book is crack fic. Tony gets in some digs at Steve's expense. Stark calls Rogers a facist wrapped in the American flag. LOL. Because I love my new fandom, let me show you it.
Context: Steve leaks Tony's special invention of detecting an alien to the world. Tony, Fury and Steve are having it out in Fury's office.
"Oh for Pete's sake," Steve said. "Are you really going to get self righteous about this?"
"No Steve, I am going to stay angry. You might be able to bamboozle the general here with your line about the people, and dirty jobs, and whatever else, but I'm going to tell you what that is. You've always been a latent fascist wrapped in a flag that we all happen to love, and we've cut you too much slack for it. Not anymore."
Steve took a step toward Tony. "Knock it off," he said.
"Go to hell," Tony said. "You want to take a swing at me, go right ahead. Who are you serving? Whoever fed you SKR TechEnt, why do you think they did it? Do you think they care about the people? Who are 'the people' anyway?"
"They are the ones I rode a Nazi rocket for," Steve said, moving even closer to Tony. They're the ones I pledged my life to, and if you're about to say that they don't know who I am and don't care what I've done, I'm here to tell you it doesn't matter. I belive in them. You don't believe in a damn thing except your bank balance."
"The people, huh?" Tony said. "Shouldn't you say, der Volk?"
Faster than Fury could see, Steve leveled Tony with a pile-driver right hand.
Context: Steve leaks Tony's special invention of detecting an alien to the world. Tony, Fury and Steve are having it out in Fury's office.
"Oh for Pete's sake," Steve said. "Are you really going to get self righteous about this?"
"No Steve, I am going to stay angry. You might be able to bamboozle the general here with your line about the people, and dirty jobs, and whatever else, but I'm going to tell you what that is. You've always been a latent fascist wrapped in a flag that we all happen to love, and we've cut you too much slack for it. Not anymore."
Steve took a step toward Tony. "Knock it off," he said.
"Go to hell," Tony said. "You want to take a swing at me, go right ahead. Who are you serving? Whoever fed you SKR TechEnt, why do you think they did it? Do you think they care about the people? Who are 'the people' anyway?"
"They are the ones I rode a Nazi rocket for," Steve said, moving even closer to Tony. They're the ones I pledged my life to, and if you're about to say that they don't know who I am and don't care what I've done, I'm here to tell you it doesn't matter. I belive in them. You don't believe in a damn thing except your bank balance."
"The people, huh?" Tony said. "Shouldn't you say, der Volk?"
Faster than Fury could see, Steve leveled Tony with a pile-driver right hand.
...anything Millar touched is like....death. CW was...meh. Ultimates was kinda cool until i started reading more of 616 and going "wtf?!" Now I'm just of the opinion fandom should march on Marvel Corp and demand they hand over Millar so we can beat him to death.
I picked U!IM up out of curiosity. It's...interesting. In that one, his dad is a good guy! *gasp!* and Tony's body is...weird. And is just weird. It's interesting as an idea, but an idea for a BOOK. Not a comic, and not a Marvel comic dealing with Tony.
U!Tony, though, is...well, a jack ass. I guess he has a right to be, but...ugh. I'll have to give the novels a try. I think I have scans for the first one. The thing I love about 616 is the relationship between Tony and Steve. U!them is just....hate. :\
I picked U!IM up out of curiosity. It's...interesting. In that one, his dad is a good guy! *gasp!* and Tony's body is...weird. And is just weird. It's interesting as an idea, but an idea for a BOOK. Not a comic, and not a Marvel comic dealing with Tony.
U!Tony, though, is...well, a jack ass. I guess he has a right to be, but...ugh. I'll have to give the novels a try. I think I have scans for the first one. The thing I love about 616 is the relationship between Tony and Steve. U!them is just....hate. :\
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