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Question to the comm: the five key moments of Tony Stark

Hail fellow slashers of the iron and shield. I'm girding myself to do a Tony Stark centric fic, and I need to know what do you think are the five key moments of Tony Stark in marvel canon?

For instance, I have:

1. Death of Tony's parents (and him subsequently inheriting Stark Industries)

2. Tony's alcoholism: nuff said.

3. The Crossing; where Tony is mind controlled by Kang the Conqueror (apologies if I get this mixed up, I'm going off memory here) and he becomes a traitor in the Avengers' ranks. It's important because in Avengers Disassembled no one believed him that he was being mind controlled (although it had happened to him a decade before)

4. The death of Rumiko: she was around for 85 issues, and Tony tried to have a relationship with her in a way that he didn't with Cabe or that woman who shot him.

5. Civil War.

These are the ones that I can name off the top of my head, but I might be wrong, and might have overlooked some other key issues, like when Stark faked his own death, or was unable to walk for a time, or when he fell out with Captain America during The Crossing.

So, help?

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NNGAffd sorry but this is one of my biggest pet peeves: Tony did not fake his death. Tony was dying of a nerve degenerative disease, and did die. He had a last ditch plan that might be able to bring his frozen (dead!) body back, that he only told a handful of doctors. His entire body had to be "recoded" from scratch, and in some of the crackiest comic science ever, he used his ~SMART~ to bring himself back to life. It was kept top top secret, and caused a huge rift between Rhodes and Tony.

I couldn't figure out where the confusion came in, until I read the arc with Ty Stone's smear campaign -- they started saying that he faked his own death, as that's what it would appear, to people not in the know.

Issues 285-289, v1. srsly srs.

That was like... *thinks* damn.

I'm scribbling down notes. Cheers for the correction. I seem to remember Ty Stone's stuff and forget the actual event. It's amazing what sticks in my mind when I read.

1. Becoming Iron Man in Vietghanistan.
2. The times that Tony passed on the responsibility for being Iron Man to someone else. Passing the suit to James Rhodes was the second time it happened. The first time was... some guy, whose name escapes me right now. It was back during Tuska's run on the series, I think.
2. Extremis. Until then, Tony was a normal guy in a super-powered suit. After Extremis, Tony was a super-powered guy in a super-powered suit. (He talks to computers...with his mind!)

Um... what about when he BECAME Iron Man? It was a brush with death that changed his life.

And as far as modern Tony is concerned, I'd say Extremis is a pretty significant point in his life. He became the human computer.

I agree.

I knew I'd forget the obvious. But cheers, keep pelting me with the clue by fours people, I need this information.

Thank you!

Thank you. Thank you. I had the extremis and the responsibility down as well.

God, this time line is driving me nuts.

lol yeah it's understandable. I'm pretty sure even some characters have gotten it mixed up, too.

I wouldn't even really mind, I don't think, if people didn't try make it seem so freaking devious. I'm sure if Tony did decide to fake his own death, he'd have good reason for it.

coughcoughcurrentcanon

Lol!

At the risk of revealing spoilers, I think Secret Invasion has become a major turning point for Tony again. He's no longer head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and when I was out picking up comics today, I was given a free preview guide of the "Dark Reign" era in Marvel comics, and Iron Man's going to be a fugitive on the run now. But, I guess because this has all just started, we can't really say for sure how significant this is going to be for Tony.

The thing is, I'm contemplating *cough* writing a Tony centric story. I am scared shitless, but it's a story I've always wanted to write, but didn't think I have the talent to.

I still don't think I have the talent to *hysterical laughter*, but SI has forced my hand, and I think I need to, just for my own personal catharsis.

The thing is, I think I'm looking at a ten year span of his life, starting from the death of Rumiko (or The Crossing, I'm unsure) and running up to the cusp of Civil War.

I'm at the point of doing time lines, and trying to reaquaint myself with about 10 years of canon. I'm scared that I'm going to suck, but I tell myself if it's bad, I won't post.

But I need to write the fic, I fear.

Extremis. For me it's a turning point.
And it's a my impression or Steve is really very bothered with it? (reference in The Confession)

Oh man, Those are good ones. I totally agree on The Crossing, and obviously the alcoholism.

Let's see, what else:

When he got shot by his girlfriend and paralyzed.

Armor Wars

No, it freaked Steve the heck out. He kept prodding Tony for being emotionless and calculating, and mentioned more than once that he was worried the Extremis was making it worse.

Because she's going to die horribly, and Tony is going to blame himself... again. And where will we be?

Besides I like the fact that she's one of the few women who's immune to Tony Stark's rakish charm. That should do him some good. Not all panties will dissolve at the mere quirk of your eyebrow, Tony.

Tony got proper ruthless, like when he stopped someone's heart, and Steve is like, "Did you do that just because it was interesting Tony?"

In Extremis execute you actually saw how it changed Stark, and that's what made him open to the idea of the SHRA.

I hear you on trying to catch up with ten years of canon. I'm relatively a newbie in the comics world, and the fandom can be pretty cut throat and pretentious sometimes.

Him and Hill? Nah, probably not. I still keep thinking the powers that be are toying with bringing up the Tony/Pepper romance again. She'll be playing a larger part in his life again... and Happy DID die back in Civil War.... (of course, that could be wishful thinking on my part, since I very much love Tony/Pepper)

I'm relatively a newbie in the comics world, and the fandom can be pretty cut throat and pretentious sometimes.

I hear you. I grew up on comics, from like, early eighties to about mid ninties. I left, and I've only been back a couple of years off and on (read the odd trade in my years of fallow, so I knew about Civil War, etc), and I've only really gotten intensely into comics (in terms of buying and collecting my own) in the last six months or so.

Yeah, the fandom can be catty, especially teh Marvel vs DC fights that people have.

You can only do you, you know?

Aside from ones mention above, I would say something like simply meeting Bethany Cabe. Beth, despite her absence from the comics since The Crossing, is a rock in Tony's life. She was the one that led him to confront him alcoholism and was his support afterward, not to mention she was probably one of his most, if not THE most, healthy relationships he's been in. I imagine the moment they met might hold a special place in his heart.

They had that thing way back in the comics when Pepper and Happy were on the outs, and Tony and Pepper sort of hooked up and Pepper said no. It really didn't work out the first time.

I didn't mind Pepper and Henry Hellrung (he kinda looks like Tony Stark, but he's so laid lack, he'd mold) but she scared him off because she wanted to shag him.

Tony/Pepper.

Pepper knows better.

Oh god, the Crossing. After that whole fiasco with Onslaught, when the heroes all returned alive (Heroes Return), he said he actually remembered being all three versions of Tony--himself, the teenager, and the man he was on Counter-Earth (who was an interestingly messed-up gent in his own right).

And then he court-martialed himself, but didn't seem satisfied with the result (everyone was very understanding and let him off the hook), and that's when he created the telepath-blockers.

So while they did give him a bit of reaction (itself somewhat unusual in comics), they never really went through with it. And the next time they ran into Kang, I sort of expected him to have a Moment, but he didn't react at all.

*cough* Anyway, I told you I was kind of fascinated with it. But the Crossing was the end of volume 1 of the Iron Man comic, and Heroes' Return was the beginning of volume 3, so that's a lot more material than Rumiko's death, which happened near the end of that run. Granted there's some very satisfying stuff in there--Ty Stone and the sentient armor, off the top of my head--but still. That's over 80 issues (1998 to 2005).

By the way, I hunted that stuff up on this link to all the Iron Man covers and their publication dates (http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/iron-man/7), which might be useful to you.

Yeah, I never really read comics growing up because to me it was always clearly stigmatized as being a boys club sort of thing. Everything I knew about super heroes came from the cartoons in the 90's and even then I only really followed Batman and Spider-man. It was only a few months ago, that I actually got actively involved in comics.

Interesting story... it was when the Iron Man movie came out and my comic book geek friend was spazzing about it and raving about how WE HAD TO SEE THIS MOVIE. I didn't WANT to, but I agreed as long as he'd see Speed Racer with me the following week. As it happens he briefed me on the basics of Iron Man and I loved the movie. And, as I have a particular passion for art, when I was watching the documentary of the comic book character on the DVD back in September and they mentioned Extremis I fell in love. Then one day in the book store I saw the trade sitting on the shelf... and I was completely lost in comics from there.

Personally, as a newbie into comics, I found that getting my hands on a lot of the "Essential" volumes (and I had friends recommend arcs that were available in trade) to help me get a feel for important moments, etc. And Civil War totally devoured my soul...

I'm still afraid of my comic book store though. But that's probably because when there are other people in there, they're all men and they stare at me like they can't believe someone like me is buying comics.

You know I have this bunny, that's mostly in hibernation right now, in which Tony fakes his death a few years after Steve's death, because it was either disappear or kill himself and he's slightly curious how the mess sorted itself out. Then a few years after Tony's supposed death Steve comes back to, because of an unknown freak occurence, and goes to find Tony (which is actually the beginning of the story, I think). Steve's certainly not going to be happy with what he finds.

Now that bunny just needs to survive until the semester break, so I can continue writing on it.

That helps me a lot. Better than the scribbles I have. I have like, a sort of grid where stuff crosses. I love the crossing, but I wouldn't touch it.

Oh god, the Crossing. After that whole fiasco with Onslaught, when the heroes all returned alive (Heroes Return), he said he actually remembered being all three versions of Tony--himself, the teenager, and the man he was on Counter-Earth (who was an interestingly messed-up gent in his own right).

I read these issues when I was a teen. I'd buy these comics with my allowance - and this was back in the day when money was more of a concern than it is now.

Oh, Tony.

She was the body guard, right? Yes, a red head. *screwing up eyes in memory*. Yeah, she was a very capable and strong woman. Wasn't she the one who got involved with Tony (thinking that her husband was dead) only to find out that he was alive? I think she went back to her husband. That was sadness.

In this random one shot, they got married in the future, and she was a Senator. I think that's when Tony decided to retire from being Iron Man.

Yeah, Bethany. I remember liking her.

Heh, yeah. I didn't follow Marvel very much at that time, but it looked kind of interesting...till it went all weird near the end and they seemed to begin and then drop three completely different story arcs in a row (which I learned much later was exactly what had happened :D ).

I remember people griping that the X-Men seemed to be the only thing left, though.

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Question to the comm: the five key moments of Tony Stark

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Oy, I need to reread that

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Well, yeah

Yeah, cheers.

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Yeah

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I just hope he doesn't hook up with Hill

Steve was bothered by it

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I hear you.

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Noooo, not Tony/Pepper

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Yayy, you're a star

Yeah, Bethany Cabe

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