Question to the comm: the five key moments of Tony Stark

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Hail fellow slashers of the iron and shield. I'm girding myself to do a Tony Stark centric fic, and I need to know what do you think are the five key moments of Tony Stark in marvel canon?

For instance, I have:

1. Death of Tony's parents (and him subsequently inheriting Stark Industries)

2. Tony's alcoholism: nuff said.

3. The Crossing; where Tony is mind controlled by Kang the Conqueror (apologies if I get this mixed up, I'm going off memory here) and he becomes a traitor in the Avengers' ranks. It's important because in Avengers Disassembled no one believed him that he was being mind controlled (although it had happened to him a decade before)

4. The death of Rumiko: she was around for 85 issues, and Tony tried to have a relationship with her in a way that he didn't with Cabe or that woman who shot him.

5. Civil War.

These are the ones that I can name off the top of my head, but I might be wrong, and might have overlooked some other key issues, like when Stark faked his own death, or was unable to walk for a time, or when he fell out with Captain America during The Crossing.


So, help?

Comments

[simmysim.livejournal.com]

NNGAffd sorry but this is one of my biggest pet peeves: Tony did not fake his death. Tony was dying of a nerve degenerative disease, and did die. He had a last ditch plan that might be able to bring his frozen (dead!) body back, that he only told a handful of doctors. His entire body had to be "recoded" from scratch, and in some of the crackiest comic science ever, he used his ~SMART~ to bring himself back to life. It was kept top top secret, and caused a huge rift between Rhodes and Tony.

I couldn't figure out where the confusion came in, until I read the arc with Ty Stone's smear campaign -- they started saying that he faked his own death, as that's what it would appear, to people not in the know.

Issues 285-289, v1. srsly srs.

Oy, I need to reread that

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

That was like... *thinks* damn.

I'm scribbling down notes. Cheers for the correction. I seem to remember Ty Stone's stuff and forget the actual event. It's amazing what sticks in my mind when I read.

Re: Oy, I need to reread that

[simmysim.livejournal.com]

lol yeah it's understandable. I'm pretty sure even some characters have gotten it mixed up, too.

I wouldn't even really mind, I don't think, if people didn't try make it seem so freaking devious. I'm sure if Tony did decide to fake his own death, he'd have good reason for it.

coughcoughcurrentcanon

Re: Oy, I need to reread that

[simmysim.livejournal.com]

oh i meant to say last night, or idk whenever this conversation happened, the days are kinda blurring together lately, I'm very excited to see you working on 616 verse again!! :D good luck on the fic!

[dorothy1901]

1. Becoming Iron Man in Vietghanistan.
2. The times that Tony passed on the responsibility for being Iron Man to someone else. Passing the suit to James Rhodes was the second time it happened. The first time was... some guy, whose name escapes me right now. It was back during Tuska's run on the series, I think.
2. Extremis. Until then, Tony was a normal guy in a super-powered suit. After Extremis, Tony was a super-powered guy in a super-powered suit. (He talks to computers...with his mind!)

Yeah, cheers.

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Thank you. I had the extremis and the responsibility down as well.

God, this time line is driving me nuts.

[melisus.livejournal.com]

Um... what about when he BECAME Iron Man? It was a brush with death that changed his life.

And as far as modern Tony is concerned, I'd say Extremis is a pretty significant point in his life. He became the human computer.

Well, yeah

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I agree.

I knew I'd forget the obvious. But cheers, keep pelting me with the clue by fours people, I need this information.

Thank you!

Re: Well, yeah

[melisus.livejournal.com]

Lol!

At the risk of revealing spoilers, I think Secret Invasion has become a major turning point for Tony again. He's no longer head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and when I was out picking up comics today, I was given a free preview guide of the "Dark Reign" era in Marvel comics, and Iron Man's going to be a fugitive on the run now. But, I guess because this has all just started, we can't really say for sure how significant this is going to be for Tony.

[skyearth85.livejournal.com]

Extremis. For me it's a turning point.
And it's a my impression or Steve is really very bothered with it? (reference in The Confession)

[prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com]

No, it freaked Steve the heck out. He kept prodding Tony for being emotionless and calculating, and mentioned more than once that he was worried the Extremis was making it worse.

Steve was bothered by it

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Tony got proper ruthless, like when he stopped someone's heart, and Steve is like, "Did you do that just because it was interesting Tony?"

In Extremis execute you actually saw how it changed Stark, and that's what made him open to the idea of the SHRA.

Re: Steve was bothered by it

[pensive]

Tony was like, "I brought him BACK TO LIFE STEVE GEEZ"

XD

[prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com]

Oh man, Those are good ones. I totally agree on The Crossing, and obviously the alcoholism.

Let's see, what else:

When he got shot by his girlfriend and paralyzed.

Armor Wars

Avengers Dissambled is big

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

In the sense that Tony was the one who broke up the Avengers (after the mansion was wrecked) because he couldn't afford it. Wanda literally wiped out most of his personal fortune with that little stunt. It's also important because his teammates didn't believe that Tony was being mind controlled - apart from Captain America.

So later, when Steve and Tony met up again fighting the superpowered criminals on The Raft, I think Tony said yes to Steve, because Steve believed in him at that dark time.

What the hell am I taking on?

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

Aside from ones mention above, I would say something like simply meeting Bethany Cabe. Beth, despite her absence from the comics since The Crossing, is a rock in Tony's life. She was the one that led him to confront him alcoholism and was his support afterward, not to mention she was probably one of his most, if not THE most, healthy relationships he's been in. I imagine the moment they met might hold a special place in his heart.

Yeah, Bethany Cabe

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

She was the body guard, right? Yes, a red head. *screwing up eyes in memory*. Yeah, she was a very capable and strong woman. Wasn't she the one who got involved with Tony (thinking that her husband was dead) only to find out that he was alive? I think she went back to her husband. That was sadness.

In this random one shot, they got married in the future, and she was a Senator. I think that's when Tony decided to retire from being Iron Man.

Yeah, Bethany. I remember liking her.

Re: Yeah, Bethany Cabe

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

Yup, that's the one. I haven't actually gotten to reading any of this myself, but I think her husband ended up dying later on and she went back to Tony. She hasn't been seen since The Crossing, though, something about Tony waking up in her apartment, the entire thing being trashed. She left him a note saying that she was going back to Germany.

There was also something about Rhodey asking her do don one of the old suits of armor to defend Stark Industries interests during Heroes Reborn.

Either way, she's pretty much awesome.

[tresa-cho.livejournal.com]

Civil War is a pretty big instance. Out of curiosity, anything specific pop to mind?

Well, yeah, I should probably explain myself

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I'm contemplating doing a fic on a period of Stark's life. I'm thinking that it's going to be a span of say eight to ten years - from say... the death of Rumiko to the cusp of Civil War.

So, I guess I'm looking at five key moments in those ten years, but I don't want to limit people to the suggestions, you know what I mean? It's good, because people are telling me stuff that I haven't thought of, or would have overlooked.

[neptunedream.livejournal.com]

Wow. I think everyone covered it all already. I'm a bit late, I guess. Huh. Well, if I had posted earlier, my comments would have been very helpful. As it is, not so much. I'll friend you though.

[jwaneeta.livejournal.com]

I'll always vote for the Sentient Armor, myself. But I'm trying to think if it brought about any lasting changes in Tony's life and.... nahh. It was just a wonderfully entertaining, cracktastic arc.

[johanirae.livejournal.com]

1. Extremis. Because he is no longer "THE DUDE IN THE SUIT"

2. Getting back the Avengers with Steve. Just because it seemed so promising... for a couple of arcs.

3. *sob* Which brings us to the death of Cap.

4. Becoming Director of SHIELD.

5. No longer the Director of SHIELD (Although seriously I am waiting outside Marvel with a pitchfork while I see what Marvel is planning for Tony next...)

Yeah, yeah.

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Getting back the Avengers with Steve. Just because it seemed so promising... for a couple of arcs.

Yeah, *sniffles and wipes a tear* it did.

*sob* Which brings us to the death of Cap.


I really don't think I have the strength in me to write anything to do with Civil War. I really don't.