Freak out just a little then be very angry and the US government. Honestly, if/when he comes back, I don't think he'll return to being Captain America because of everything the government's done -- he's taken on different names when something like this has happened in the past (The Captain, Nomad), so I'd think he'd do it again.
NOW is a REALLY bad time for him to return, really. I'd vote for when things calm down a bit... Couple of arcs down. (Can't really expect the poor man to come back from the dead AND THEN have to clean up all the mess...)
Besides, what the heck would poor Bucky do? He's just getting the hang of the new job...
Of course, from what I heard about the going ons right now, I fear that if he comes back later, Steve will come back and learn about Tony's death while he was gone...
Unless someone kidnaps Tony for his own good in the mean time and tuck him away somewhere. Thor?
well, to spoil the story -- he's already back i'mnot gonna rewrite the first coupla thousand words! but i do think he's going to be very, very angry. at a lot of people. wish me luck :)
If Steve were to come back right now, he'd probably end up confronting and dealing with the following:
The SHRA, which is still in effect.
The split in the Avengers between Mighty and New.
Norman Osborn's power grab.
Bucky taking on the mantle of Captain America
S.H.I.E.L.D. The president said SHIELD "is no longer viable. It has been compromised and is being shut down." However, SHIELD isn't an American organization; it's a multi-nation organization, chartered by and reporting to the United Nations. The other member nations of the UN might keep SHIELD operating without active American involvement.
Sharon Carter's brainwashing, pregnancy and miscarriage.
Clint Barton's return from the dead.
Thor's ditto.
Tony.
I assume that the first person he'd contact is Sam Wilson, since Sam is a close friend and a trusted ally, and isn't (currently) in hiding.
Cap also might try reaching out to super-heroes of other nations. Someone should; one result of the Skrull invasion ought to be the recognition that sometimes it's necessary to organize an efficient planetary defense.
hey, dorothy1901...how d'you think he'd deal with those things? he's got tony, that's a given, because of a plot point -- think osborn will try to arrest him? i had already planned the press conference/guilt thing - whose baby was sharon carrying? thanks for the reminder about shield.
eek. i hope i can write sam. i'm guessing sam hates tony, too?
oh - what happened to jarvis?
off to wiki the teams rosters :)
ps. my hands are doing the itching-swelling cycle again. i am *not* looking forward to this!
Jarvis was a Skrull, who disappeared with Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' baby before anyone caught him. The real Jarvis has been rescued and is back where he belongs.
There are two things at which Steve Rogers excels: making inspiring speeches, and hitting things. I imagine that he'd play to his strengths.
whose baby was sharon carrying?
Steve's. He didn't know about it. Sharon discovered she was pregnant shortly after Steve was killed. She doesn't remember anything about the pregnancy and miscarriage. Tony knows about it, and so does Sam. The pregnancy was part of some kind of evil plot by the Red Skull. The Skull's minion, Dr. Faustus, had brainwashed Sharon.
No, Sin (Red Skull's daughter) shot her. If Sharon had shot herself to keep Red Skull from being able to use the baby as a tool/pawn, that might have preserved some of her agency, and we couldn't have that. Much better to have her brainwashed, pregnant, shot while ineffectively trying to escape, and brainwashed some more. [/bitterness]
Just... wow. Just WTF, Marvel? I thought Carter was supposed to be bad ass. Someone told me that she shot herself to prevent Red Skull from getting the potential biarn, and I was like, "Dude, agent Carter rolls deep!" and I had some respect for her then.
Sam and Tony never, ever, ever really got on, whereas Sam and Steve used to roll deep. Back in the early 90s, Sam and Steve actually shared a series together, back when Steve wasn't captain America (I can't remember exactly ho that status quo occurred).
In Civil War when Steve was blind sided by Tony's commitment to the SHRA, Sam was like, "Dude, I told you so. Stark is one of them."
In Civil War when Steve was blind sided by Tony's commitment to the SHRA, Sam was like, "Dude, I told you so. Stark is one of them."
Is it just me, or did that entire scene really read like somebody telling their just-got-dumped friend that "He was never good enough for you, anyway?"
Sam is currently busy being the only person in current Captain America canon with a brain (well, unless you count the periodic guest appearances by Tony).
He'd be so pissed. He was only just coming to terms with the SHRA. The Skrull invasion's one thing--he's used to crap like that--but coming back and finding out they put Norman Osborne in charge? Osborne'd have to arrest him, and he'd have legal cause pretty soon, because I think Steve'd quickly start doing something about that.
And then Sharon's mind-control...and the idea that he almost had a child? That'd just traumatize him. And he'd probably keep tabs on Sharon for a while, trying to find a way to fix that crack in her psyche.
I think he'd also be pissed at what people've done to Tony, even if he's still mad at Tony, because it's one thing to be angry at a guy for behaving like an idiot, but it's another to turn an old friend--even an ex-friend--into a scapegoat.
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OSBORN, not Osborne. This is the fourth or fifth time I've seen Osborn's name misspelled in the last couple of days, and the misspelling is always the addition of an "e" to Osborn's name. Where is this misspelling coming from? How can it be stopped?
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Yeah, I've been seeing it everywhere. It's why I started writing "Osborne." After a bit, I thought, "Wow, I guess I must have it wrong if everybody's spelling it that way."
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i think it was ozzy and sharon that did us in so, a couple more question; where's fury? did luke and jessica get their baby back? where's pepper? has anyone, at this moment, tried to seize tony's accounts, etc?
all important plot points. honest! don't i look trustworthy? (don't answer that...osborne)
That's going to be a plot point for the new avengers for the forseeable future.
Pepper is still around, I think she's supposed to assist Tony and Maria while they are on the lamb. I do wonder if she'll oversee Tony's company while he's away. Rhodes has done that before (but he's gone all cyborg now. WTF?)
has anyone, at this moment, tried to seize Tony's accounts, etc?
i think i've got it! everyone has been so generous! thank you all. i have an outline, i have some motivations and i'm off. let'a hope it doesn't suck :)
I think he'd be livid - over what's happened to Sharon, over the state of the Marvel U (Norman Osborn in charge, the SHRA still around), over the way Tony's been treated (because even angry with Tony, he still cares about him) and also horrified and grief-stricken/devastated over Secret Invasion (the fact that people he knew and trusted were skrull plants) and most especially over Jan's death. Clint and Thor's return from the dead would make him extremely happy, but he'd be discovering that he has two of his oldest and closest friends back at the same time that he's finding out that he's lost another of them -- we're talking serious emotional roller coaster.
Not to mention that he'd be coming back to find that he's effectively been replaced. I mean, even though he might very well run around as "The Captain" for a while again, or possibly borrow Clint's silly "Ronin" identity out of anger/protest at the government, Captain America is still who he is, and even though he'd probably have given Bucky his blessing to take his identity had he known, there's probably still going to be a little part of him going "But how could Sam/Tony/etc. replace me?" A very small, quiet part of him, mind, and he never actually say it.
In Steve's letter to Tony, Steve very clearly wanted someone to become the new Captain America, and stopped just short of asking that Bucky be given the job. Why he didn't take that last step is debatable; did he have reservations about Bucky taking on that particular burden, or was it reticence about over-influencing people's choices? I wonder if Tony's words about people not wanting to disappoint Steve maybe dug in a little.
Yes, but there's a difference between saying you want someone to carry on doing your duty after you're dead, and even meaning it, and actually coming back to find someone else wearing your clothes while everyone calls them by your name.
I actually took the letter as meaning that Steve wanted Tony not to let what he stood for die, a sort of "look after my country for me" in addition to the "look after my little brother," not that he actually wanted someone else to assume the identity and costume. I.E. something on a larger and more idealistic/intangible scale than. But then, I haven't re-read the issue since it came out, because current Captain America canon makes me physically ill to read, and also I'm boycotting purchasing it, so I'd just read through every issue once in the store really quickly, like yanking off a bandaid superfast in hopes that it would hurt less that way (it didn't work, and it eventually got so bad I finally had to give it up entirely around this September).
I actually took the letter as meaning that Steve wanted Tony not to let what he stood for die, a sort of "look after my country for me" in addition to the "look after my little brother," not that he actually wanted someone else to assume the identity and costume. I.E. something on a larger and more idealistic/intangible scale than.
When Steve was like, "Take care of Bucky for me" I think he meant for Stark to like, prevent Bucky from going off the rails (what with his Winter Soldier experience and probably triggers in his head). But I can understand Tony not letting the idea of Captain America die, and I can understand Bucky accepting the idea.
I need to really sit down and read the Captain America canon (I used to read Avengers in the 80s and early 90s, or when Cap guest starred in IM in the 80s, 90s) because I never truly realised what a presence Cap was to the Marvel Universe until he died, and I never really 'got' his character until the Civil War.
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This.
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Besides, what the heck would poor Bucky do? He's just getting the hang of the new job...
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Unless someone kidnaps Tony for his own good in the mean time and tuck him away somewhere. Thor?
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And yeah, I vote for the Steve-being-shocked-and-totally-pissed reaction.
Steve: Honestly. I die for a few months- *waves his hands at the destruction left in the wake of the Skrull battle* -and this happens!
Yeah.
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- The SHRA, which is still in effect.
- The split in the Avengers between Mighty and New.
- Norman Osborn's power grab.
- Bucky taking on the mantle of Captain America
- S.H.I.E.L.D. The president said SHIELD "is no longer viable. It has been compromised and is being shut down." However, SHIELD isn't an American organization; it's a multi-nation organization, chartered by and reporting to the United Nations. The other member nations of the UN might keep SHIELD operating without active American involvement.
- Sharon Carter's brainwashing, pregnancy and miscarriage.
- Clint Barton's return from the dead.
- Thor's ditto.
- Tony.
I assume that the first person he'd contact is Sam Wilson, since Sam is a close friend and a trusted ally, and isn't (currently) in hiding.Cap also might try reaching out to super-heroes of other nations. Someone should; one result of the Skrull invasion ought to be the recognition that sometimes it's necessary to organize an efficient planetary defense.
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eek. i hope i can write sam. i'm guessing sam hates tony, too?
oh - what happened to jarvis?
off to wiki the teams rosters :)
ps. my hands are doing the itching-swelling cycle again. i am *not* looking forward to this!
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Jarvis was a Skrull, who disappeared with Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' baby before anyone caught him. The real Jarvis has been rescued and is back where he belongs.
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There are two things at which Steve Rogers excels: making inspiring speeches, and hitting things. I imagine that he'd play to his strengths.
whose baby was sharon carrying?
Steve's. He didn't know about it. Sharon discovered she was pregnant shortly after Steve was killed. She doesn't remember anything about the pregnancy and miscarriage. Tony knows about it, and so does Sam. The pregnancy was part of some kind of evil plot by the Red Skull. The Skull's minion, Dr. Faustus, had brainwashed Sharon.
Didn't Sharon cause herself to miscarry?
What a mess.
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wow.
UGH, Marvel.
Yeah
Sam and Tony never, ever, ever really got on, whereas Sam and Steve used to roll deep. Back in the early 90s, Sam and Steve actually shared a series together, back when Steve wasn't captain America (I can't remember exactly ho that status quo occurred).
In Civil War when Steve was blind sided by Tony's commitment to the SHRA, Sam was like, "Dude, I told you so. Stark is one of them."
What's Sam up to now, anyway? Beats me.
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Is it just me, or did that entire scene really read like somebody telling their just-got-dumped friend that "He was never good enough for you, anyway?"
Sam is currently busy being the only person in current Captain America canon with a brain (well, unless you count the periodic guest appearances by Tony).
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*laughs*
Hmmm
Who? Steve?
I'd think that Steve would now know the art of stealth, and keep on the DL really.
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And then Sharon's mind-control...and the idea that he almost had a child? That'd just traumatize him. And he'd probably keep tabs on Sharon for a while, trying to find a way to fix that crack in her psyche.
I think he'd also be pissed at what people've done to Tony, even if he's still mad at Tony, because it's one thing to be angry at a guy for behaving like an idiot, but it's another to turn an old friend--even an ex-friend--into a scapegoat.
NEWS FLASH: MARVEL FANDOM CRIPPLED BY RAMPANT WAVE OF MISSPELLING
OSBORN, not Osborne. This is the fourth or fifth time I've seen Osborn's name misspelled in the last couple of days, and the misspelling is always the addition of an "e" to Osborn's name. Where is this misspelling coming from? How can it be stopped?
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I got ten hits searching the CDC website for "norman osborn osborne." *g*
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all important plot points. honest! don't i look trustworthy? (don't answer that...osborne)
No, the baby is still MIA
Pepper is still around, I think she's supposed to assist Tony and Maria while they are on the lamb. I do wonder if she'll oversee Tony's company while he's away. Rhodes has done that before (but he's gone all cyborg now. WTF?)
has anyone, at this moment, tried to seize Tony's accounts, etc?
Not yet (as far as I know).
Lam, not lamb
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As far as I can tell, he randomly became a cyborg between two issues of Avengers: The Initiative, and it was never explained.
Fury is back
by jove!
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Not to mention that he'd be coming back to find that he's effectively been replaced. I mean, even though he might very well run around as "The Captain" for a while again, or possibly borrow Clint's silly "Ronin" identity out of anger/protest at the government, Captain America is still who he is, and even though he'd probably have given Bucky his blessing to take his identity had he known, there's probably still going to be a little part of him going "But how could Sam/Tony/etc. replace me?" A very small, quiet part of him, mind, and he never actually say it.
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I actually took the letter as meaning that Steve wanted Tony not to let what he stood for die, a sort of "look after my country for me" in addition to the "look after my little brother," not that he actually wanted someone else to assume the identity and costume. I.E. something on a larger and more idealistic/intangible scale than. But then, I haven't re-read the issue since it came out, because current Captain America canon makes me physically ill to read, and also I'm boycotting purchasing it, so I'd just read through every issue once in the store really quickly, like yanking off a bandaid superfast in hopes that it would hurt less that way (it didn't work, and it eventually got so bad I finally had to give it up entirely around this September).
Yeah, this.
When Steve was like, "Take care of Bucky for me" I think he meant for Stark to like, prevent Bucky from going off the rails (what with his Winter Soldier experience and probably triggers in his head). But I can understand Tony not letting the idea of Captain America die, and I can understand Bucky accepting the idea.
I need to really sit down and read the Captain America canon (I used to read Avengers in the 80s and early 90s, or when Cap guest starred in IM in the 80s, 90s) because I never truly realised what a presence Cap was to the Marvel Universe until he died, and I never really 'got' his character until the Civil War.
Shame on me, but my excuse is, I'm British.