Ultimates spoilers

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Basically, I can't get the Wizard magazine in my neck of the woods. It doesn't sell. This stuff is in my LJ but I'm cross posting here.

THIS POST REFERS TO ULTIMATE AVENGERS, not THE ULTIMATES


Some SPOILERS from the new WIZARD. This is from a poster over at Millar's site.

Read at your own risk:

- Some big stuff happens in Ultimatum that affects Tony Stark, which will be touched upon.

- The main characters in the first arc will be Cap, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Nick Fury, a new Black Widow and also Iron Man II.

- Iron Man II is a.k.a. Gregory Stark...Tony's blond-haired, teetotaling, older and smarter brother. Nick Fury loves him as he doesn't have Tony's morals and has no problem with crafting weapons for the military. He and Tony had a 10-year gentlemen's agreement to live in opposite hemispheres, but time is now up and he's moving in to take over. His tech is unlike anything the world has ever seen and outclasses anything that Tony's ever given S.H.I.E.L.D. and there's a big secret behind that too. In a later arc we'll find out who's been supplying him, which is a big deal. There's more to him than meets the eye.

- Iron Man himself will be broadly similar to what Jeph Loeb's done in Ultimates 3, for consistency.

- The second storyline will give you Hawkeye's origin. He was once a death-row prisoner, a murderer who was taken in by S.H.I.E.L.D. due to his amazing abilities, given a fake past and straightened out to the point where he even was able to marry and have kids. Hawkeye's big origin will also tie into the Punisher as S.H.I.E.L.D. is trying to do the same with him. He will also be helping Cap uncover the mystery behind Cap's illigitimate son, which puts him at odds with S.H.I.E.L.D. and the others who tried to cover it up.

- Carol Danvers will continue to be in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. as Nick Fury will take charge of his old Black-Ops Unit (from Ultimates Vol.1).

- The new Black Widow is Nick Fury's ex-wife, Monica Chang, and according to Millar she's a *****!

- The Red Skull is the super-powered illegitimate son of Captain America! Cap finds, to his horror, that he's an international terrorist. The details behind his origin will be secret until issue #2.

Black Widow comes onto the team to make life difficult for Nick and is spying on Nick on behalf of Carol Danvers. This spunky, 4' 10" asian girl is fully capable of busting Fury's balls. She also doesn't give a sh-- that she carries the name of someone who betrayed them and murdered Hawkeye's family.

Pacheco's design for Red Skull is also said to be in the issue.

Because I love you all, some scans! Don't report me, please.








I am ashamed to say - THIS is the reason why I'm working on my FIC overtime. Because all of the stuff in my gdocs will be jossed once this issue goes to press.

Comments

[lupus-dragon.livejournal.com]

WTF is this shit? Tony has a brother... Cap has a son... what are they trying to do here?

LOL

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Actually, I'm interested to see what Millar is going to do with it. I'm not going to go all dismissive as yet. Besides, just think of the Tony/Steve hurt/comfort fic!

What, no? ZOMG, too soon?

Either way, I need to get cracking and just get stuff out before August. Oh muses, keep my hands safe from splints, A-men.

[posyvanilla.livejournal.com]

Ultimates, you so crazy. That is about the depth of my logical thinking right now.

Other than, OMG RED SKULL IS CAP'S SON!!1!

I see your point...

[lupus-dragon.livejournal.com]

I'm always game for some tasty tender hurt/comfort fic.

A-men.

[runenklinge.livejournal.com]

So, a talented, blonde Tony without Tony´s morals....whom Tony admires, respects and to some extent looks up to, but in reality he´s probably sinister and up to no good - Tiberius!

Ladies and Gentlemen, Gregory Tiberius Stark.

LOL yeah

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

You know what? It works for me.

I'M SO EXCITED, POSY!

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Nothing can steal my joy. Nothing! I LOVE it. Yayyy for August. But boo for my fic on gdocs. BOOOOO!!!! I need them to be completed and off! Now!

DUDE ME TOO!

[posyvanilla.livejournal.com]

We have to wait until August? That is the suck part, right there. But it gives you plenty of time to finish those fics (and motivation). Go go go go go!

Dude! *\o/*

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I'm just glad that i got some good scans though. *sighs* How will I ever explain to my friend that I'll be writing while she's here?

Hmmm... I'll write in the mornings before she awakes, at nights when she's out with her other friends and stuff.

Stuff. Hmmmm.

[perrypadfoot.livejournal.com]

*sigh* You sure know how to convince someone into a new fandom...

Besides

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Ultimate Tony with a sibling? It works for me, yes it does. Especially if they don't get along? Oh Lord, the snark will be epic! Epic!

With Cap and his kid - to be honest, he was away and lost at sea, so really, it's not about him. But wow, if Ultimates Steve wasn't hard work before, it will be a hard hoe to row now.

[kijikun.livejournal.com]

I half wonder if Millar is fucking with us. *Shakes head* This is either going to be really interesting and good or a utter train wreck.

Erm

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I wonder which part though. Loeb was all over the shop. That might be the design of his armour? Or I guess it might be the fact that Tony was mooning over Natasha? It can't be Mad's rendition of Stark, because the penciller seems to be doing a nod at Hitch's designs.

The post doesn't really spoil Ultimates 3.

Dude, give it a shot

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Like, if it doesn't work for you, no harm, no foul. But Steve and Tony are still alive in this verse, and both men will be like, rocked to their foundations if Millar is going to go full tilt. If nothing else, the Furys should have an interesting relationship.

What, Ultimatum?

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Oh Lord. I want to throttle Loeb and Ultimatum. But yeah, I hear you. The thing with a good writer though, is that he should be able to surprise you no matter how deeply you're spoiled.

Well, Millar doesn't do halfsies

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I fear. If nothing else, it will be interesting. Millar is... a LOT of things, but not boring.

I'm willing to stick around for the first couple of issues to see how it pans out. Then either read the comics in store and just wait on the trade.

Oh, no. Sorry, I misread.

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Awk. I'm like... writing fanfic at the same time. Oy.

Oh well, if nothing else, it should be interesting.

Re: Well, Millar doesn't do halfsies

[kijikun.livejournal.com]

I tend to do the trade thing when I iffy on a title. It helped with Ultmaties 1 and 2 to have the full story all at once because I'm not sure I would have hung on if I was doing single issues. It's almost cheaper to buy trades these days (and I wish DC and Marvel would look at the trade sales as much as they do single issues).

But yeah I'll pick the first few issues because Millar had a good run for the first two books. Is Bryan Hitch coming back as the artist? Ah never mind. Damn I love Hitch's art.

No, it's Carlos Pacheo(?)

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

But Pacheo(sp) is a really good artist. I do remember his work from Green Lantern Corps days (or at least, I'm sure he did work on Green Lantern - Hal Jordan) and his stuff is good, and relatively polished. He also gets the job done on time from what I gather. But Millar has said that he'll be taking the visual cues from Hitch's art, so if you note, Ultimate Tony looks like Hitch's Tony, and not Maduerias.

<- That's Mad's Ult Tony.

*\o/* indeed

[posyvanilla.livejournal.com]

See, you don't explain! You just do it when she's not paying attention and that way you get all your gdocs finished and the porn finds a home on the internet, and all is good.

Hmmm... I hear you

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I'm willing to wait around and see what this brings. If done right, it will be good. Like, the fact that Tony and his brother have a gentleman's agreement to stay out of each other's hair until they do not? It could work. Like, every time Tony sees Gregory, he feels as if he's five years old again.

And Cap's kid... well, it might soften Ult Steve's self righteous jingoism, you know? I'm honestly willing to wait around and see what happens. A good writer will sell me anything.

Good to see you around. I do hope you're well.

¬_¬ that's a cunning plan, grasshopper

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I know that she might be renting a car, so I'll let her drive while I map read for justice! While I write fic in between the pages. Yes, this idea has merit.

I'm just glad I got my second wind. Finish your bang, posy!

[valtyr]

See, all the new characters strike me as profoundly unoriginal and the Red Skull especially done for shock value, but that's comics. I'll wait and see. What makes me bite myself and whimper is Millar's exciting opinions such as "Like Civil War, we have to be respectful," and "We needed to make Cap cool, and that means him killing a bunch of people."

"He's a man of few words and he gets the job done, superheroes are never like that," I - what? What?

However, he does say he wants to make Cap like Midnighter, so I'm going to assume Cap is going to get married to a guy. (I have said before that in his helmet, Ult Cap grins like the Midnighter.)

I'm going to pretend this universe don't exist now

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

Or stopped existing beyond Ultimatum.

...cause dude, the Red Skull
a)is a Nazi, it's his defining characteristic
b)used to tie Captain America up in a lot of foeyay James Bondage...

...and so this is worse that implying that Quicksliver is sleeping with his sister because he really wants to be sleeping with their mom, WROOOONG.

Soap Opera

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

Tony Stark's long lost evil sibling, wow. What's next, comas and explosive amnesia? The Rosemary's Baby part already handled the twisted pregnancy requirement.

...and I hate how Millar imply that pacifism is uncool, it's not absolute pacifism, Steve is a soldier, he'll use force when necessary, but he actually tries to avoid it. It's good to write an alternate Steve, but fuck you and your implication that meaner is better or more real.