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cap_ironman2009-06-05 10:02 pm
jazzypom.livejournal.com) wrote in cap_ironman2009-06-05 10:02 pm
Ultimates spoilers
Basically, I can't get the Wizard magazine in my neck of the woods. It doesn't sell. This stuff is in my LJ but I'm cross posting here.
THIS POST REFERS TO ULTIMATE AVENGERS, not THE ULTIMATES
Some SPOILERS from the new WIZARD. This is from a poster over at Millar's site.
Read at your own risk:
- Some big stuff happens in Ultimatum that affects Tony Stark, which will be touched upon.
- The main characters in the first arc will be Cap, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Nick Fury, a new Black Widow and also Iron Man II.
- Iron Man II is a.k.a. Gregory Stark...Tony's blond-haired, teetotaling, older and smarter brother. Nick Fury loves him as he doesn't have Tony's morals and has no problem with crafting weapons for the military. He and Tony had a 10-year gentlemen's agreement to live in opposite hemispheres, but time is now up and he's moving in to take over. His tech is unlike anything the world has ever seen and outclasses anything that Tony's ever given S.H.I.E.L.D. and there's a big secret behind that too. In a later arc we'll find out who's been supplying him, which is a big deal. There's more to him than meets the eye.
- Iron Man himself will be broadly similar to what Jeph Loeb's done in Ultimates 3, for consistency.
- The second storyline will give you Hawkeye's origin. He was once a death-row prisoner, a murderer who was taken in by S.H.I.E.L.D. due to his amazing abilities, given a fake past and straightened out to the point where he even was able to marry and have kids. Hawkeye's big origin will also tie into the Punisher as S.H.I.E.L.D. is trying to do the same with him. He will also be helping Cap uncover the mystery behind Cap's illigitimate son, which puts him at odds with S.H.I.E.L.D. and the others who tried to cover it up.
- Carol Danvers will continue to be in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. as Nick Fury will take charge of his old Black-Ops Unit (from Ultimates Vol.1).
- The new Black Widow is Nick Fury's ex-wife, Monica Chang, and according to Millar she's a *****!
- The Red Skull is the super-powered illegitimate son of Captain America! Cap finds, to his horror, that he's an international terrorist. The details behind his origin will be secret until issue #2.
Black Widow comes onto the team to make life difficult for Nick and is spying on Nick on behalf of Carol Danvers. This spunky, 4' 10" asian girl is fully capable of busting Fury's balls. She also doesn't give a sh-- that she carries the name of someone who betrayed them and murdered Hawkeye's family.
Pacheco's design for Red Skull is also said to be in the issue.
Because I love you all, some scans! Don't report me, please.
I am ashamed to say - THIS is the reason why I'm working on my FIC overtime. Because all of the stuff in my gdocs will be jossed once this issue goes to press.
Soap Opera
...and I hate how Millar imply that pacifism is uncool, it's not absolute pacifism, Steve is a soldier, he'll use force when necessary, but he actually tries to avoid it. It's good to write an alternate Steve, but fuck you and your implication that meaner is better or more real.
Re: Soap Opera
He's a nice guy. He's why I fell in Love with Ultimates. :(
If Miller keeps his old characterization, Steve is jus slightly more hot headed than Brubaker!Steve.
Now, he is more violent than 90's Cap, but even I'm not down with "never would kill anyone ever or use a gun" 90's Cap.
Re: Soap Opera
I mean I totally see Cap, even 616 Cap playing the Willis role in any Die Hard movie.
the major difference is IMHO 616 is a bit more mature, a bit more weathered but he's also got like 15 years on Ult!Steve.
But I don't think either are violent to be mean.
The two exception were Ult!Steve has been violent are to Hank, after Hank nearly killed Jan, and to Thor, when he thought Thor had stabbed them all in the back and gotten Bruce a death sentence. And he backed off on Thor, and nothing came of that.
Other than that . . . he's not really mean.
Quicker to act in anger, but again I think it's maturity he's lacking.
A lot of the maturing aspects for 616 Steve also never happened (that we know of yet) to Ult!Steve.
I mean I hate hate hate modernizations that make everyone awful. It's why I don't care for the New BSG much, but I never felt Miller went there over much, nor did I think he was advocating that so much as just saying, look this Steve is less likely to give a speech than 616 Steve is.