Just another question.

[illuminatius.livejournal.com]

Once again, hey y'all. I have a question about allowed pairings.

Seeing as a this is a Captain America x Iron Man community, and Bucky is the current Cap, would posting a Bucky/Tony fic here get me poked with a pitchfork and/or other sharp objects? Steve would obviously be in it, but not in a relationship with Tony. And only be mentioned in the first 3000 words or so (it's an estimate). I'm asking so that I'll know if I can post it for comments and concrit.

Comments

[muccamukk]

Generally one sends such questions to the mods, but it would still make for a good comm discussion.

The current comm rules are:

On topic is pretty much anything having to do with Captain America, Iron Man, the Avengers - particularly as they pertain to Steve/Tony but we just love them in general anyway :) Just be sure that in fics, Steve and Tony are one of your main pairings or at least very prominent characters. Essentially either CANON us, or SLASH away

Just so we can understand the implications, here's a list to consider.

Captain America
Isaiah Bradley (Briefly during WWII)
Steve Rogers (Most of WWII, most of the modern era)
William Nasland (End of WWII through to late '40s)
Jeff Mace (Late '40s)
William Burnside ('50s)
Roscoe (Briefly when Steve was Nomad)
John Walker (Briefly when Steve was The Captain)
Samuel Wilson (filled in for Steve at one point, I think)
James B. Barnes (Current)

Iron Man
Tony Stark (much of current era)
Happy Hogan (filled in for Tony several times back in the Silver Age)
Jim Rhodes (during the second drinking arc, mostly, and when Tony was injured/dead)

[illuminatius.livejournal.com]

Oh! I'm sorry. I should have asked a mod directly.

Hm...Even though Bucky is on the Cap list, I guess I can't post it here. Steve/Tony is not the main pairing, and I'm not really sure if Steve will be very prominent. Darn.

Thank you for your reply.

[perpet-fic.livejournal.com]

I am all in favor of seeing this story. ALL IN FAVOR.

If someone's held either title, I say it counts.

[jynx.livejournal.com]

agreed. and in favor. want to read. muchly.

[seanchai.livejournal.com]

No offense, but I would be pretty deeply annoyed, I have to admit. There may have been more than one person to hold the title, but I sure as hell don't ship Tony with the name or the costume, anymore than I ship Steve with the armor.

Obviously, it's up to the mods to decide, but I guess I've always felt that this comm was founded for the Steve/Tony ship, not for anyone who currently happens to be calling themselves 'Captain American' or 'Iron Man'.

I'm probably being somewhat more vehement here than I should, but this is something of a pet peeve for me when it comes to comics fandom. Just because more than one person has used a name or a title doesn't mean that they're interchangeable. And I'll freely admit that I'm biased; I'm an OTPer, and whatever the comm's called, it's Steve and Tony I ship, not their secret identities.

[muccamukk]

Well, I don't think the op meant that ze though Steve and Bucky were interchangable. I think ze just honestly wanted to know if it would be okay to post a story about Tony and Bucky (who happens to be Cap).

A lot of us are newer to comics, and Bucky has been Cap for a few years now (though I don't imagine it will last long, with the movie coming up). It's a fair question.

I would incline towards "no" as well, however.

[illuminatius.livejournal.com]

None taken (although I should point out that I'm a guy). I didn't mean to offend; I just thought it would be best to ask before taking any action. Granted, I should have asked a mod privately, but I had a moment of stupidity.

Thank you for your opinion.

[booster-blue.livejournal.com]

ship Steve with the armor.

I know who does that! *eyeshift*

[elspethdixon.livejournal.com]

would posting a Bucky/Tony fic here get me poked with a pitchfork and/or other sharp objects? Steve would obviously be in it, but not in a relationship with Tony

This is a Steve Rogers/Tony Stark comm, and as I understand the comm's rules, gen that features either Steve Rogers or Tony Stark is allowed, but not fic that pairs them with other people, unless that fic also contains Steve/Tony.

There's a Marvel het, gen, and slash comm called theinvaders, however, that would love more Bucky fic.

edited to add: I'd also like to add that it's been important and enjoyable for me to have a comm dedicated solely to my OTP, and if "Iron Man" and "Captain America" were interpreted as applying people other than Steve and Tony for comm posting purposes, I would lose that. And I would regret losing that a lot.

[muccamukk]

not fic that pairs them with other people, unless that fic also contains Steve/Tony.

Right. A good example of this would be your fic that had Bucky/Tony happening, but it was essentially in reaction/as a continuance of Steve/Tony.

[ani-bester.livejournal.com]

Unless the fic deals with Bucky in WWII or ramifications there of, Bucky/Tony would be OOC for the Invaders.

but yeah raremarvelpairs would be good.

[ani-bester.livejournal.com]

First off, given the name of the community, I think that's a really fair question, so don't feel bad :)

And me personally, I'd kinda like to see it. I mean hell so few people write any of those pairings (let alone characters) that it's not like it would suddenly overwhelm Steve/Tony

BUT I think it's pretty obvious there's some hardcore objecton so maybe just post on marvel slash and raremarvelair (for the record I will so read the fic)

[jynx.livejournal.com]

Okay, I'm going to preface this by saying I'm current heavily drugged out on percocet. SO. Anyone who has an offense to anything I say? Plz to be keeping in mind. I have no mind-mouth(hand) filter.

As Ani said above, the comm is a CAP/IRON MAN comm. Whatever the original intentions were, some things have to be considered. Yes, there is a Marvel slash comm and a Rare Pairs comm and OMG! A Steve Loves Tony comm. HMMMMMMMM. Now. Fraaaankly, if we're going strictly by logical naming factors, this comm SHOULD be open to any version of Cap with any version of IM. I'd say that includes the other Iron Men from the comics on the other worlds, and the future worlds (because there is on in that 2099 thing or whatever I don't remember at the moment). BY NAME I would say that this com should be open to the idea. Yes, it's primarily Steve and Tony, and yes, Steve is always going to be thought of as "Captain America" and the first one you think of when you say/write/think the name. Just like Tony is always going to be the Iron Man you think of off the top of your head.

That's just fact. And because publication length is longer on the two and the more main characters. That's a fact. But you CAN NOT name something as ambiguitous as "Cap_Ironman" and not expect this kind of thing to pop up. It has. We should deal with this. MY opinion? Poll it. See what the members of the comm think. Frankly, because the way this is set up and the fact that there is at LEAST one comm dedicated STRICTLY to Steve&Tony? I think it's bogus and bullshit to get all up in arms over this.

And while we're on the topic of naaaaaames (and I KNOW someone's going to want to rip my face off for this) --

What's with the Tony hate.

Namenamenamename. Plz to NOT be forgetting the "_ironman" part of the comm name. Because I'm seeing it a lot. All Steve squee and lots of "oh, Tony got what was coming" and blahblah. I am not impressed. In fact, it kind of makes me sick. Tony deserves his own damned squee. And there should be some serious Steve resentment. It's only fair. Because Steve also MASSIVELY fucked up. But in the interest of not, as someone I was talking to on someone's post in something commented, I don't want to restart Civil War on this comm. I'm just pointed out that the mentality of most Steve/Tony shippers I know and see, there's a lot of Tony hate for people who ship them. This is kind of wrong. And any comments on people screaming at me for that? I will laugh at, and use to cheer myself up on while I pack and deal with a shitty landlord. And will not reply to.

But poll. I believe we should poll the members on how to treat this issue. Because this is an issue that should not be treated lightly and should not be decided by the mods. Because this would be a community type thing that would affect a lot of us. Poll. It. Demooooooocracy~ Steve loves it. You should love it to.

[13-lucky-charms.livejournal.com]

I love you, no really you put into words what I was thinking of saying. Except with less rage. (must be the percocet, you lucky thing)

[muccamukk]

I was interested in having a discussion to see what everyone thought before I posted a poll, which is what we're doing now.

I'm glad to have some input form the Legacy/Legacy side of the debate, and I appreciate your opinion on it.

As to who loves or hates Tony or Steve more? Well, that's a whole topic that we could get/have gotten into. However, it's deeply tangential to this discussion, so perhaps we could table it for now.

I don't particularly want to mod what pairings this comm should cover AND Civil War round 4,372 at the same time.

[tsukinofaerii.livejournal.com]

I disagree on the poll. :\ The issue of "Cap" becoming someone else in current canon is really not something that could have been seen when the comm was being named and dedicated to The Ship, you know? For that matter, we've had past Caps (as muccamukk listed up above), and that was never really an issue before.

But word to the wordle on the Tony-hate. D: (clutches him) I am all for the equal apportioning of blame, and it breaks my heart that canon and fandom all seem to have decided that It Was All Tony's Fault. :(

[valtyr]

Fraaaankly, if we're going strictly by logical naming factors, this comm SHOULD be open to any version of Cap with any version of IM.

BRB back posting my Steve Irwin/Tony DiNozzo slash to stevelovestony and acting shocked when it's not welcome. But it's called stevelovestony!

But poll. I believe we should poll the members on how to treat this issue. Because this is an issue that should not be treated lightly and should not be decided by the mods. Because this would be a community type thing that would affect a lot of us. Poll. It. Demooooooocracy~ Steve loves it. You should love it to.

Pure democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. This comm is, if it is anything, a constitutional democracy.

We hold these truths to be self-evident; this comm was created for fanworks and squee and discussion about Steve Rogers and Tony Stark of the Marvel universe, with a particular interest in their mutual affection. This is set out in the userinfo, which has not undergone significant changes in the last year and a half at least.

You propose a major change to the fundamental purpose of this comm. You want to alter the fundamental purpose of the comm and invoke democracy to do it? Be ready to produce a supermajority of the members, then. Every member of this comm joined a Steve and Tony comm, as is set out explicitly in the userinfo, and I see no reason why that should be altered. If you feel strongly that there is a need for a comm that ships all iterations of Captain America and Iron Man, then by all means, create one, and here is advance mod permission to promote it on this comm.

I don't want to restart Civil War on this comm.

If you don't want to restart Civil War, then I would advise that diatribes on how Tony is misunderstood and that big meanie Steve gets away with everything, and that people are shipping them wrong, are not the best way to go about it. If you do want to discuss it, I suggest you limit it to relevant posts, or even make your own post, rather than bringing it up in totally unrelated posts.

As a note, if you are in a sufficiently altered state you cannot be certain you will not be offensive, I recommend not posting on controversial topics. This is why I try to avoid drinking and surfing scans_daily at the same time.

[shiny-glor-chan.livejournal.com]

ani_bester mentioned it in a comment above, but I'm the mod over at raremarvelpairs, and Bucky/Tony would definitely count as rare. Go ahead, join, and post, if you want. We'd love to have the fic posted there. <3

Actually, I'm very intrigued to read a Bucky/Tony fic. I've read a few (like two or three), but I'd love to see a new take on it.

[tsukinofaerii.livejournal.com]

Since we're turning this into a discussion... I am really not on the side of opening up the ship to legacy characters. For one, I'm definitely on the side of the OTP Steve/Tony, and opening up to legacy characters does feel a bit like shipping the shield and the armor. Hot as it would be, that doesn't really feel like what this comm is for. Though, again, it would be pretty hot...

... Okay, I'm going to pretend my brain didn't just go there.

Canon, okay, that's fine by me (says the person who has femslash Steve/Gail pre-het Tony/Steve; I am aware that my horse in this race is of an odd breed) because gen fic and friendshipping is allowed, and that means canon love interests. So, for example, a Tony fic with a heart on for Bethany Cabe, that involved Steve. We never really had a question of other Caps or Iron Men before, even though they did exist, with Isiah, Happy, Rhodey and the rest. IDK, I just don't feel like the addition of Bucky to the roster really makes a difference in that.

But, as I said, my horse in this race and all.

This!

[stormseye.livejournal.com]

The whole reason this comm was made was because stevelovestony had some issues wasn't it? So it's less specific name has less to do with the content then the necessity of a new name.

And again, there's been other Caps and other Iron Man's, but this was always a Steve/Tony comm in conception and in practice.

The tricky part is also we allow general Steve and Tony separate content, but we don't really have other shippers posting Steve/Sharon or Tony/Pepper over here.

[velithya]

Since we're turning this into a discussion... I am really not on the side of opening up the ship to legacy characters. For one, I'm definitely on the side of the OTP Steve/Tony, and opening up to legacy characters does feel a bit like shipping the shield and the armor.

This.

[grey-bard.livejournal.com]

You know, your fic would be welcome at starkindustries. It was specifically created for just such purposes.

[illuminatius.livejournal.com]

Well, I got my answer, and a whole lot of discussion. Reading the replies, I now understand that this was a stupid thing to ask, really. I should have read the rules for the community with a bit more care. I'm sorry if I accidentally offended anyone with my question, and I thank you all for your replies.

[valtyr]

Don't let it discourage you from writing the fic, though. :) There's clearly an audience for it, and several comms it's suitable for.

[13-lucky-charms.livejournal.com]

Didn't offend me at all <3 And I really want to read that fic now :D