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Another Interview Link: Captain America and The Starks

This one is a really interesting interview with the writers of Captain America about Steve and his relationship with the Starks. It seems most Marvel writers themselves are really really looking forward to seeing how the Cap and Tony relationship plays out in the Avengers. It looks more and more like that movie is going to be EPIC! \o/

Exclusive: The Captain America writers tell us about the conflict between Cap and Iron Man

Favourite Quotes:

+ "What really fascinated me in the back of my head as we were writing it is that, OK, Steve is fighting alongside this guy [Howard], next year he's going to be fighting alongside his son, who is going to appear to actually be older than his father and older than Steve. None of that is in the movie [explicitly], but it's all extra gravy."

+ "It's safe to say that in The Avengers they [Cap and Tony] certainly have friction."

-(Haha, I know it's never going to be the really fun kind of friction, but the simply fun kind is okay too! ;D)

ENJOY!
(Goddammit, still have a *week* before they release the movie in my city. It's out in my country!!! Just not where I can watch it. >:[ )

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That was a fun read... and then I posted a response to the poster at the bottom, who was just being rediculously negative... oops.

Just... watch it with the friction, writer-guys. Yes, Tony and Steve have disagreed more than once over the years, to varying degrees. But they're best friends. Figures of the utmost importance in each others lives. They love each other. Canonically, no slash goggles required. Let's not get carried away with the clashing, please.

Honestly, with a Joss film? I'll be happy if they all survive til the end. I mean, I know Steve and Tony have to (longer contracts), but other than that?

Haha, I assume this is the 'AngryGeek' post? Yeah, I saw that one and fortunately a lot of people disagree. I think that's the post with maximum replies and all of them disagreements. So, definitely YANA! ;)

I think movie!Tony and movie!Steve definitely have much much more in terms of opposing characteristics / things-which-will-bring-friction than their comic counterparts. So I can't actually see them get along from the get go, especially if the whole Howard-related-baggage is going to be floating around, in the gravy as it were. ;)

But yeah, the friction should ultimately resolve to bantery kind - where they may snark at each other all day long, but they *and* everyone else knows they're two-of-a-kind and have each-other's-back. That's definitely very very important! (And the way RDJ and Evans seem to fanboy each other in the interviews? I think it's going to be kinda fine! *optimistic*)

Lol, Joss's work is usually good at delivering both the Ho-Yay and better than most at Canon-Gay. So that's there. Plus RDJ I think, is very very aware of both the appeal of slash and the appeal of slash featuring RDJ. I'm hoping their current fanboying will resolve into amazing on-screen-chemistry! :D

Ha! Tell me about it! I'm still bitter about Wash! :( But thankfully I don't think we'll have to worry about that here. Considering IM3, CA2 and Thor2 are already in development, and Black Widow, Hawkeye and SHIELD movieS are being talked about as a possibility among others. (I mean, they're also talking about a Wasp and Ant-Man movie! Which, while very awesome and means we'll probably see Hank and Jan in Avengers2, when have the two of them ever even had an ongoing till now? And *Dazzler*?) I don't think Marvel's letting him kill off even a single possible cash cow. (Minor characters otoh? Taking no bets for their survival rates, yeesh!)

I have seen Serenity soo many times, and I still look away at that scene. And in my family, I'm the one who doesn't look away during thriller/horror movies.

IS IT MAY YET? :D

Yeah... my post pretty much boiled down to "It's a film. Just enjoy it?"

[reads article] <3
[reads comments after article] 8D <3<3<3 [sits back and eats popcorn]
Though I do wonder about the comment about Fraction!Tony being the best they've seen in years...[looks at current events] erm....yeah....IIM #506 makes me sad.

Back to the movie side...HA my head image of Tony ruffling Steve's hair and going "hey kiddo" has some validation! XDDDDD Still, RDJ portrays Tony in a way that I think the "conflict" between Tony and Cap is going to be amusing snark. The movie has a bit of 1610 mixed into it...and the relationship between Ultimate!Tony and Ultimate!Steve has a different vibe then their 616 counterparts.

I choose to read 'friction' as 'Ho Yay and snark with occasional serious arguments'.

And I'm praying that Steve will bring back fondue as a euphemism in The Avengers. Preferrably directed towards Tony, who doesn't get the reference.

Friction? Oh, there's gonna be friction all right, if you know what I mean. ;P

Fondue as a euphemism is love. Want to see it in Avengers, all right!

"Confict" as amusing snark would work really well. Also, hair ruffling would be awesome. Am ignoring comments of all kinds on the article.

I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. :D ALSO I LOVE YOUR ICON.

Fondue is the world's most perfect euphemism. And I like the idea of Tony being the one, for once, who doesn't get innuendo. That can't happen very often.

I also like the idea of Tony not getting innuendo, for once. I'm sure he'd figure it out eventually, but it'd be a nice novelty while it lasted. Tee hee hee. The question is how Tony'll react to the knowledge, once he does figure out what "fondue" is standing in for. And I'm sure he'll get Steve to try actual cheese fondue, just because he'd find it amusing (and Steve'd blush like mad while eating it?).

I think they may have been commenting 'in-character' (as AngryGeek ;p) Anyway, *I* just can't wait for May to come! I'm sure it's going to be awesome! :D

Though I do wonder about the comment about Fraction!Tony being the best they've seen in years...[looks at current events] erm....yeah....IIM #506 makes me sad.

Uh.. Yeah. I saw that comment too, and it made me back-button for a while. :/ I'm going to believe their 'in years' comment refers to the CW fiasco, because otherwise, they can't have read any other IM canon at all. Though I personally like Vol 4 (Extremis to DoS) a LOT, so... ¬_¬

Yeah! I'm thinking of initial slight personality clash which segues smoothly and immediately into snarky banter and teasing in the day-to-day life. The serious arguments only occur when it comes to plot-things which are *not* clearly cut into black-and-white or on *how* to achieve their common goals. (If they remove *this* aspect of their relationship, it won't really be *them*, ya?)

And UGH! Someone tell me the whole fondue thing! I have to wait a week for the movie still (and obviously don't mind being spoiled) and the constant references are driving me mad with curiosity! *begs*

Haha, they'd better use good lube, is all I can say! ;P

I feel like an evil person for spoiling the fondue joke, but if you insist...

Warning for fondue spoilers after this point, which is the weirdest warning ever.

Howard Stark is hinted at to be something of a lady's man. So while flying a plane through German airspace and being shot at, he calmly asks Peggy if she'd like to go out for fondue. She doesn't answer him directly.

Later, a woman comes on to Steve and Peggy is jealous. Steve weakly retorts, "But what about you and Howard and... the fondue?" She looks at him like an idiot.

Cut to Howard Stark explaining, "Fondue is bread and cheese, my friend."

"But I thought... I don't understand."

"The minute you think you know what goes on inside a dame's head is when your goose is well and truly cooked."

I may be off in the exact wording. But it has set off an avalanche of fondue related jokes already because... Steve thought fondue was sexual innuendo. I'm not sure if that's a testament to the Stark ability to make things sound dirty or proof of Steve's obliviousness. Maybe both/

I can see Tony, upon realizing what fondue means, deciding it must be an old timey sexytiems phrase and trying to use it on Steve, who is legitimately convinced from then on that Starks like cheese and bread. He doesn't pick up on the sexual undertones because it's Steve and hey, Howard wanted the same food and he didn't date Peggy so it must be a craving!

Cue Steve fighting with the internet for a fondue recipe and, after failing, going out and acquiring a cookbook to teach him how to make this magical Stark attracting substance.

The real kicker is, Tony doesn't even like cheese. He just eats it because he doesn't want Steve to stop being nice to him.

Hahaha. Oh, poor silly Steve and his lack of knowledge about sexual things and innuendo and flirting (it took him how long to figure out Peggy liked him, even before the serum?).

Steve battling the internet is love. I mean, I'm sure he can figure out how to use a computer, eventually; he's certainly quite intelligent, if occasionally dense about certain things and stubborn as all get-out. If not, JARVIS can help. The problem is whether or not Steve knows how to spell "fondue"; I just found an easy recipe on allrecipes.com in about ten seconds, but then again, I have experience using google, and knew how to spell what I was typing in. I can see Steve trying to find a "1001 Cheese Recipes" book because his google-fu fails, fresh out of the ice. And possibly getting distracted by one or more of the other tasty recipes? (Does Steve like cheese? Did he even ever eat cheese much? I mean, pre-serum, he was skinny as a rail and that ninety pound thing may not even be an exaggeration, Lord only knows what he ate or how much, and after he'd be eating whatever it was that was available in the mess hall or in rations that day, depending on where he was. Actually being able to have whatever he damn well pleases to eat and/or drink whenever he likes after getting thawed out might make for some interesting times around the Avengers Mansion... I'm picturing him being all gleeful over there being fresh, non-canned veggies from Lord-only-knows-where in the middle of winter. Steve with lima beans. Picture it. You know you want to. Plus with the speed he metabolizes alcohol at, his body probably goes through everything that fast, and post-serum was probably like "holy shit, I'm eating at least three times as much as before and am still hungry all the damn time, what the hell is up with this", leading to him crossing paths with Tony wandering around the Avengers Mansion at three in the bloody morning because Tony is a workaholic insomniac and probably drinks coffee in the middle of the night because he is nuts like that, and Steve is too hungry to be able to sleep without raiding the fridge. Again. And why do I keep coming up with these things? I'm not a good enough writer to fic my meta properly, and I don't even know if it's good meta or my brain going too fast. Dammit. I may or may not have ADHD... and I don't feel like going and trying to get diagnosed, because I've functioned well enough the last twenty three years. AKA ignore Liara when she stops making sense.)

I can see the last part of yours happening. I can also see Tony going "Well, actually, there's two different types of fondue, cheese and chocolate. My dad liked the cheese kind, but I like the chocolate version." And then having chocolate sauce handy with which to seduce Steve, instead of being talked into eating something he doesn't even like to have an excuse to flirt with Steve? Something like that. (And now I'm thinking of Girl Genius. "I wouldn't have your Master Gilgamesh if you stripped him naked and dipped him in cheese!" God, why does my mind wander so much? And in such odd directions; one would think my mind would migrate to Steve/Tony food porn at this point, but noooooo.)

I'm going to go with both! Because the Starks can make anything sound dirty. But Steve is also charmingly oblivious to certain things. God, I loved that scene.

I'm sure Tony will design one special. Or possibly improvise with something in his lab. One of those things. ^_^

I'm sure the on-screen chemistry is going to be amazing! And I agree that RDJ is aware of slash and that people enjoy slashing character he portrays, and will hopefully ham it up for us. I'm sure Chris will be happy to go along with it. Maybe we'll get Steve/Tony as a canon pairing in Avengers 2 or 3 or whatever, if we're super lucky. I mean, I only know some of Joss's other work, but considering the size of the Spike/Xander fanbase among Buffy fans, considering Willow was the one canonically in a same-sex relationship (apparently, either Willow or Xander was planned to be gay, they'd included a whole bunch of subtext with Xander and several of the male characters, and then Willow suddenly started dating Tara... which I don't overwhelmingly mind, because Tara was awesome, but was the victim of Joss's unfortunate tendency to kill off important characters if people don't stop him, and anyways Xander slashy subtext like whoa, in short, I'm hoping we get as much subtext with Steve/Tony as we did with Xander/everyone way back when, or even better canon ship).

Oh God you're a fountain of fanfic ideas. Steve walking around chowing down on oranges out of season because they're so good. He downs cheesecake he could never afford before with joy. Chinese food delivery guys get to know him on a first name basis. "I can eat anything and I'll never have consequences" + everything is available + SHIELD picking up the tab = Steve eating out of a tub of Hagen-Daahz while Tony wonders if Steve's pregnant.

My first boyfriend downed several gallons of sutei tsai (salty milk-tea; it's an acquired taste) in the name of keeping me happy. Presumably when Tony is actually in love and not just attracted he'd be like, "Cheese. Sweet. Thanks!"

I'm going to write this. It'll be up soon. I can't stop thinking about this now. Steve walks into the food court at the mall and with tears in his eyes whispers, "The promised land!" and Tony's quietly wondering if it's okay to have an intervention for food addiction...

I'm terrified I'll ruin it because English isn't my native language. But I can't resist the allure of this idea. I'm so weak. XD

I loved Howard in general in that movie. The hamminess level was perfect.

Ah, thank you very much. I may have to delay for a day to run it by a beta, though. Better safe than sorry. I wouldn't want to get a laugh for the wrong reasons.

It's always good to double check things. I don't want to be like the exchange student in my middle school who said 'I smell a leg' rather than 'the fox sweats' due to misplaced letters.

Oh, thank you! This is adorable! Hee, Steve sounds so cute and naive. ;D EVEN MORE EXCITED FOR MOVIE NOW! \o/

I'm a fountain of fanfic ideas, yes, thank you. But I'm not a fountain of fanfic, unfortunately, which is the big problem here! I have dozens of ideas bouncing in my head, and none of them ever get written. Which is why I just brain-vomit all over discussion threads, in hopes that someone else will write the fic instead. I keep meaning to write this Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess gender-bender fic that should be a ton of fun, but it keeps not happening. So I dunno if any of my dozen new Captain America plot bunnies are ever going to get penned by me personally. Including this one really weird one where Steve is with Bucky for a while during the war, and then when he wakes up in the present... well, it involves Steve/Tony and reincarnation, and I don't know how to make it not come out really really cheesy and forced-sounding and cloying, so that one isn't getting written for a different reason than the other ones.

(I don't like cheesecake unless it's chocolate, but I can see Steve being like "OMG cheesecake? I saw this in a bakery before, but I could never afford to get even one slice of it, and now you are buying a whole one just for me? *gleeful*" Also, the ability to get fresh produce out of season, generally from either a greenhouse or the other hemisphere, is amazing. Oranges in the winter are the best.)

Steve eating out of a tub of Hagen Daaz and Tony wondering if he's pregnant is hilarious. So funny! Then again, I'm also picturing Steve being like, "Well, one day I was like five four and a hundred pounds soaking wet, and only needed like fifteen hundred Calories a day to keep functioning, considering that my asthma was too bad to let me do much strenuous stuff anyways. And then, the next day, after the Super Soldier Serum, suddenly I'm a foot taller, roughly two hundred pounds mostly muscle, and had no idea how much fuel my body needed to keep running even before taking into account that the serum altered my metabolism from the baseline of a normal man of my new height and weight. I lost ten or fifteen pounds before the doctors figured out that I needed about three rations a day, and I have no idea how many Calories that is, to figure out how much I need to eat when not on military rations" and Tony is like "Fuuuuu-... Steve, how about I introduce you to Chinese takeout now? Somebody, preferably Pepper, please find me the nutritional information of a World War II ration!" (about 3300 Calories, fyi, of which three would be about 10000, about 4 times the 2500 that is often considered average for a typical civilian man, consistent with the "I can't get drunk because my metabolism is four times as fast as a normal person's" line - Steve could do the math in his head, obviously, but not if he didn't know what the docs were saying he needed four times the amount of to start with).

Also, that was very sweet of your first boyfriend. I'm afraid that tea definitely sounds like an acquired taste, all right. I like tea, including milk-tea (though my experience in that area basically runs to bubble tea made with milk tea, and English Breakfast tea with milk and sugar/honey), but salty tea just sounds scary to me. I'm hoping by the time Tony is actually in love, Steve will have caught on to Tony just eating the cheese to make him happy, and offer him something else instead or be like "you eat cheese fondue with me to make me happy, I'll eat sushi with you to make you happy, I can't get sick from raw fish anyways".

I can try to write one of these, too, maybe. But I keep meaning to write down my ideas in fic form and it just keeps not happening, possibly because during the school year I am super busy. Then again, that doesn't explain why classes ended a month ago and there's still not fic happening, except for the part where I was on vacation, and some weeks my part time job involves more hours than other weeks, and I occasionally have summer assignments (actually I have one due Friday, better get back to that). So... maybe, maybe not? Also: Tony wondering if Steve's pregnant... well, if he's supposed to be physically some sort of peak of human perfection, it wouldn't be completely out of left field for that to also include having both fully functional male and female reproductive organs, to make it easier to pass on the genes, with any partner chosen regardless of what sex? *gigglesnort* I do not think the super soldier serum would actually work like that, but Tony might wonder, if presented with enough evidence of Steve eating weird things, blah blah blah. ;P

506 made me sad too. I actually didn't mind what he does in FI#4 and 505... just didn't want it to continue. :(

old married couple scenarios would be fantastic. Actually, there was this one fic posted a long time ago where someone did write movie Steve and Tony meeting...it was hilarious...the male bravado! XDDDDD If I recall correctly it ended up with them duking it out in the middle of the city.

LOL...fanboys/girls can be fun to watch sometimes. Watching them on Comic Book Resource forum can be downright bloody o_O'

I KNOW! I was so pissed off at Fraction for letting Tony continue...I was rather hoping Tony would guilt trip himself rather then drown himself you know. Demon in a Bottle 2.0 indeed :(

Hopefully Fraction!Tony gets better. If it keeps "getting worse" as Fraction puts it...well damn. So far we have so many things on Tony's plate, the other heroes by comparison are having a walk in the park.

I'm almost afraid of Steve finding out. They're STILL weird, no matter how many Avengers Primes we get, and he's not going to be sympathetic in the slightest. Even during Disassembled, when Tony really wasn't drinking, he was sort of bitchy about it. *sigh* Guess that's what fanfic is for.

If they make a Civil War movie, I'm going to crawl into a dark corner and die crying. I don't mind if Tony and Cap experience some friction, but just thinking about the whole Civil War makes me depressed.

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Another Interview Link: Captain America and The Starks

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