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valtyr ([personal profile] valtyr) wrote in [community profile] cap_ironman 2011-08-07 12:58 pm (UTC)

Odin didn't kill Laufey? Loki's other parent, if he has one, isn't mentioned. Loki killed Laufey, when Laufey came to kill Odin. (Unless I'm misremembering and that wasn't Laufey, in which case Laufey's presumably still alive.) And when did Odin almost kill him? He seemed in no danger of killing the baby. Sure, he took him home for political reasons, and didn't tell him he was adopted, but he and Frigga seem to have treated him exactly as a son. (For example - Frigga could have stopped him taking the throne of Asgard by revealing he was by birth a Jotun. She didn't. She clearly considered him worthy to rule, even though she wasn't sure Odin would ever recover or Thor ever return.) Not telling him he's adopted - well, it's a choice a lot of parents make, so I'm not going to condemn it. When Loki realised something was wrong, Odin told him the entire truth and assured him of his parental love, as did Frigga.

I don't have a problem with him reacting strongly to finding out he's adopted, really, but I don't see how they could have let him have his tantrum any more - Thor said, okay, kill me if you feel it's necessary. Do you think they should have let Loki destroy an entire world (including his biological father and family) to get over his tantrum? I mean - I would think murdering an entire species would also cause one quite a few issues.

He tried to be the villain, realised he couldn't hurt the people he loved, then one attacked him (admittedly unknowingly) so he pretty much decided "Well, ok then."

I'm confused by this, could you elaborate? He did, effectively, kill Thor. Loki sent the Destroyer to kill him, and then explicitly paused, considered it, and then struck a killing blow. Thor didn't die because Mjolnir activated to save him. (I'm also not sure who you mean attacked him unknowingly - I must be slow today, lol.)

I don't think Loki's beyond redemption (unlike the Red Skull) but I do think betraying and trying to murder his brother, and attempting genocide, put him solidly in the villain category right now, and any redemption arc will need him to put in some work. (On a similar note, I think Thor at the beginning of the film is treading close to villain territory with his desire to go and start a war and kill a whole load of people for the glory and fun of it.)

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