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THE AVENGERS!! Linkspam!!1one!! (with commentary)

Okay, you guys... I AM OBSESSED with this movie (and it won't come out for another year OMG). I go online and look up news articles about it almost every day. Sometimes, I even hit refresh a few times to see if anything is different. IT'S THAT BAD.

This is not, by any stretch, ALL the links I have pertaining to this movie, but they ARE the most recent. I was sort of gathering them behind a locked entry because I didn't want to inflict madness on anyone else, but FUCK THAT NOISE. COME JOIN ME IN MY CRAZY.

Also: THERE ARE PROBABLY SPOILERS IN HERE FOR ALL THE MARVEL MOVIES AND, OF COURSE, THE AVENGERS. I can't remember any, specifically, but be forewarned.

Also II: Son of Also -- Likely swearing, abuse of capslock, and a liberal gloss of personal opinion (Such as: I don't DISLIKE Joss Whedon, but I'm terrified he'll disappoint me. I've been burned before! *shakes fist dramatically* If your opinion is that this makes me a horrible person, that's fine and I accept that, but you may not want to read the commentary). There are no naughty images, so as far as THAT goes, it's work safe...?

Hilarious "F*ck Yeah" Review Of Captain America: The First Avenger!

* Chris Evans! FUCK YEAH!
* Tommy Lee Jones! FUCK YEAH!
* Musical Number! WAIT, WHAT?
* Strangely Good! FUCK YEAH!
* Alan Menken! FUCK YEAH!

Six Awesome (Unofficial) "Minimalist" Posters For The Avengers!

* So, I totally WANT THESE. I would buy them and frame them and hang the on my wall.

Samuel L. Jackson Dishes On The Avengers Set Experience And Role Expansion!

* Samuel L. Jackson: "Someone stole my script and tried to sell it."
Polite British Reporter: "Really?"
Samuel GQMF L. Jackson: "Oh yeah, there was tons of trouble about it."
Polite British Reporter: "Where did you leave it?"
Samuel Baby Eater L. Jackson: "I didn't 'LEAVE. IT.' anywhere."
To which I can only guess the Polite British Reporter's response expression was something like O.O and then maybe ;_;

* Also, RDJ has been seen all over the place sporting his styling Tony Stark beard, but SLJ is clean shaven? O.o

Probably the most exciting/most nerve-wracking thing that has happened for the movie thus far is the announcement of Joss Whedon as director. Hijinks Ensue tells us why in: Avengers Get All Assembley!

* These are pretty much my fears, exactly.

* "You're fired. Forever."

* Now, I WANT to love the idea of Joss Whedon as director of The Avengers, I DO. It's just....when he sucks, he sucks hard. Come on, Joss Whedon! I know you can do it! Don't suck like you sometimes do!

Brian Bendis Praises The Avengers Script And Captain America: The First Avenger!

* I am sort of infant-baby-like into the comics!fandom, having only gained interest after watching the first Iron Man movie and then, like the good little slash fan I am, went looking for a hot guy to pair him with (starting with Rhodey and then moving to Bruce Wayne--mostly out of curiosity, because I think there'd be some really interesting interaction, there; then settling on Cap, of course.) so I am vaguely aware that there is some animosity toward Bendis for reasons that I am unsure of, but I've always enjoyed his writing--what I've read of it. Most importantly (to me), I usually like how he writes/characterizes Tony and Steve and Tony-and-Steve (and Thor!). So if HE says he thinks the script is amazing, then I feel hopeful.

* "I think it's the best thing Joss Whedon's ever written. I was in awe of it, and I still am." High praise! Better than Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog? Better than some episodes of Buffy and Firefly? If that's true then this will be AWESOME.

Joss Whedon Talks About The Future Of The Avengers; Teases Franchise Potential!

* "My main goal is: make a movie that's good. If possible, make a movie that's super-good. Don't try to make a movie that's great, because then it will be pretentious."

Joss Whedon Reveals The Avengers Comic Book Influences; Describes On Set Experiences!

* Blah, blah, Buffy season 9 comic book (which I am somewhat interested in, but that's not the point--although, crossovers, whee!!)

* Skip to 3:26 for The Avengers questions.

* I like this reporter. He seems geek enough to ask interesting questions.

* I like that Joss Whedon talks about geeking out on set, and even more squee-worthy (to me) is the idea of everyone geeking out over EACH OTHER.

* "'I'm hanging out with THOR.' 'I'm hanging out with IRON MAN.' 'I'm hanging out with CAPTAIN AMERICA.' 'You guys are GEEKS.'"

* "That guy has horns. I'm going with it!"

Joss Whedon on THE AVENGERS - "It's not just big... it's BIG!"

* This is the written version of one of the interviews already posted further up the list for people who cannot play the video.

* Most of note on this page, if you've already seen the interview, is the close up of Cap's new uniform. Gorgeous!

CAPTAIN AMERICA TO BE MODERNIZED FOR THE AVENGERS?

* Short little one-question interview, Chris Evans talks about Cap's main conflict in coming to the modern era. Not so much the technology, but the quieter, more human aspect.

* Although, I still want a few moments of Cap like, "What's EMAIL?"

Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant - Clip
"Agents Coulson and Sitwell face a problem in this clip from "Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant," available exclusively on the "Thor" Blu-ray on shelves September 13!"

* This. THIIIIIS. IT'S SO TOTALLY TONY STARK. I LOVE YOU, COULSON, AND I ALSO LOVE SITWELL, THOUGH I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN IN ANY OF THE MOVIES, SO FAR.

* They are, apparently, planning at least two or three of these little movies featuring Agent Coulson which ties--or at least vaguely connects--all the movies together.

* That high-pitched sound you hear is my vocal chords attempting to put some kind of noise to my glee.

* EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

That is all.

Also III: The Return -- x-posted to my journal. Apologies to

nightwalker who therefore has to see this twice.

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I am totally going to check out these links once I get to my computer! They look awesome.

Good! You should! They're fun AND exciting! ;-D

* Also, RDJ has been seen all over the place sporting his styling Tony Stark beard, but SLJ is clean shaven? O.o

It's because RDJ is turning into Tony Stark in real life so it is his default facial hair now. At least that is my theory. Thanks for these though, I hadn't seen some of them yet!

Wait, RDJ and Tony Stark were different people to begin with?

Sometimes I wonder... ;-D

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I sort-of-kinda wanted RDJ and Chris Evans to bump into each other on the red (white & blue) carpet at the premier and ~~make out~~ have adorable conversations ~~and maybe hug, at least, c'mon, guys!~~.

I'm glad there were some you haven't seen. :-D The days that there is no new news are the days that sadden me (obsessive!fan is OBSESSIVE). My only thing was: aren't they filming now, though? Maybe they finished all of SLJ scenes already, or maybe they haven't started? Or MAYBE SLJ is just so much of a badass that he can grow the Nick Fury beard ON CUE.

Or MAYBE SLJ is just so much of a badass that he can grow the Nick Fury beard ON CUE.

I like this theory.

Epic post is epic.

Aww, thanks!

Gotta say, Joss' comments in the Hijinks Ensue webcomic are kinda why I like Marvel comics.

Personally I feel CA was a better movie than Thor.I didn't leave the cinema thinking that the hero was a douche and that the villain was at least partially justified.

Cannot wait til next May!

Just a note: My 57yo downstairs neighbour went with me to see Captain America. She wasn't following the films, hasn't read comics.
Straight after we left the cinema, she asks me "Can we see the next one?"

I also enjoyed Captain America more than Thor. Now, granted, I was a little more invested in the character, but I think Captain America also benefited from having one main character to follow. Thor had to introduce both Loki and Thor and it felt a little scattered to me, as a result. Also, the romance felt a forced and rushed and I resented the decision to turn Jane into a scientist. (Sorry, ranty-rant aside--I hate that strong women can only seem to come in two varieties in action movies: supersmart!scientist and hot!martialartist/mistress-with-an-axe/whip/phallic-sword-WHATEVER. Like it wasn't perfectly valid to have her be an EMT, like that was BENEATH her, somehow. I LIKE Natalie Portman and I like Jane so I really wanted to like movie!Jane, but I found myself just kinda bored by her. Then again, I ♥'d Sif so...)

Also, yay for converting the masses!!

Absolutely. I liked CA better than Thor, as well. The character development, the romance, the entire movie just felt rushed and forced to me, and as a result I felt that Thor came away as a very simple, one-dimensional character. Loki, on the other hand, seemed complex and interesting; I found myself rooting for him at the end of the movie instead of Thor, most of the time.

Thor just doesn't feel human to me. I know, I know, he's a god. But if I can't relate to him on any human level, I'm not going to be invested in the character. I love Steve Rogers, with his ernest goodness and loveability despite his physical disadvantages. I love even more Peter Parker, with his insecurities and clumsiness and typical young adult drama. I love best Tony Stark, with his self-loathing beneath narcissism, his relentless quest for redemption and the greater good beneath the morally questionable addiction and promiscuity, his struggle against human flaws by the reshaping of himself into a perfect machine.

These characters are flawed humans, and I love them for it. Mostly, because I can relate to each flaw on some level. Giving Thor an overnight struggle with his own arrogance, which he overcomes almost immediately, doesn't make him human to me. You cheer a character on despite, and maybe even because of his flaws, not in the absence of them.

What I hope will happen is that we'll see Thor's human side in The Avengers, because they will be fighting his brother (at least that's the most persistent rumor about the plot) and I think they did a decent job of showing that Thor likes Loki and doesn't want to have to fight him. (I would have actually liked a little more of the reverse--where we see Loki considering himself family and then just deciding he's not anymore, because that would have been heartbreaking and I am, apparently, a glutton for punishment.) I thought the scene on the Bifrost Bridge when Thor tried desperately to save Loki was done well, and the scene where Loki confronted Odin on the steps of the treasury room about his origins made me tear up a little (I'm a big baby).

I also like the idea of someone being more into himself and oblivious to the world than Tony, because I don't think either of them will really know what to do with one another.

Steve: So here's the plan--
THOR: WHAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW AWESOME I'M BEING CHECK OUT MY HAMMER AND ALSO MY BICEPS.
Tony: MY BICEPS ARE SHINIER AND I'M MORE AWESOME!
THOR: WHAT?
Tony: WHAT?
Steve: *headdesk*

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Also I want this conversation as a fic.

Sorry, ranty-rant aside--I hate that strong women can only seem to come in two varieties in action movies: supersmart!scientist and hot!martialartist/mistress-with-an-axe/whip/phallic-sword-WHATEVER.

Well, that's also true of most the guys. (Tony and Banner being scientists, and Steve and Thor being hot martial artist/phallic.) And there's a terrible paucity of female scientists in Marvel, so I was pleased to see one (and one that isn't into life scientists, which is what female scientists often are). It also gives her long-term integration with the plot, having her studying the Bifrost.

I agree the romance was on the rushed side, but I also didn't consider it that unrealistic that two very attractive and charming people were into each other enough to kiss after... two days?

I have absolutely nothing against more female scientists in Marvel comics or mean to imply that I don't think being a female scientist is not awesome and kick ass. What I resent is the implication that an EMT is not badass enough to warrant being a lead female (they also go to a lot of school for that and they're incredibly adept at handling stressful situations and they often drive headfirst into danger), and while it might help to include her in the further plot of the Thor movies (which is why I think they did it as I don't really see Kenneth Branagh or any of his team being particularly sexist) as someone who knows about Bifrost, I'm not sure what they're going to do to keep her there--what happens when Thor comes to earth and is now Donald Blake (if they decide to keep that in Thor's story)? Will she just...hang around the hospital? Chillin' and talking crazy theoretical science with interns? And where will her character development and growth go? Comics!Jane eventually became a doctor. Movie!Jane could...get more PhDs? (Which is, again, not BAD--that would actually ROCK. I could see her going off and then every time she came back she could have another degree. Thor would not care at all, but that's fine.)

Also, switching her to a wormhole!scientist who just happens to specialize in Asgard makes it seem as if she was created just to be Thor's love interest. "Thor! Need someone to make out with? That's cool, we've got a crazy repressed lady who's dedicated her entire life to trying to find you (even though she didn't know it was YOU, but whatever), so, you know, you won't even have to try or anything!"

Which brings me to the romance. I don't think it's unrealistic that two attractive people could be that into each other, no--I actually thought that they were adorable, in and of themselves. It was the SPEECHES, that EVERYONE AROUND THEM knew that Jane was The Love Interest and treated Thor and Jane's infant, budding romance like an Edward/Bella EPIC. I think the part that made me roll my eyes the hardest was the scene in the bar, when Erik gave Thor the, "Hurt her and I'll KILL YOU OMG" speech. This was after the only (on screen) interaction between them had been Thor kissing Jane's hand and Jane giggling a bit. If some random dude walked up to me on the street and said something gallant and then kissed my hand I'd giggle. He wouldn't even have to be as attractive as Chris Hemsworth! That doesn't mean that he's my One True Love.

So, in conclusion: a) Female scientists = awesome, but you can be a powerful, interesting woman and NOT a scientist. b) Movie!Thor/Jane love story = sweet, but sort of overshadowed by all the obnoxious posturing of the characters around them declaring them to be Immediately and Epically In Love. c) This got kind of obnoxiously long, and I'm sorry. This isn't even entirely about Thor or Marvel, this is a rant-button that has a lot of other movies behind it, so I am really really sorry for sort of rambling on and on. -_-

Well, I don't think it's that they're implying an EMT isn't awesome. I mean, Original Jane wasn't an EMT; she was a nurse. And she was a nurse because Don Blake was a doctor, and later on as people realised that girls didn't have to always be nurses, they made her a doctor - not because nurses aren't awesome, but because the whole dynamic where the man is the handsome doctor and the woman is the pretty nurse is kind of outdated and sexist. As Don Blake is no longer a doctor, there's no plot benefit to her being a nurse/EMT/doctor. I don't see any indication Thor will ever use Don Blake as a permanent cover, and I really, really doubt that Thor will work as a doctor - even if he ended up sharing bodies with Jane's ex Don Blake, movie Don Blake is not a medical doctor. Thor would have to go to medical school.

I don't know how she's going to be integrated, but I think a technical interest in the Bifrost and Asgardian technology will make it easier. In the movieverse fic I'm writing, she goes on study dates with Heimdall so they can work on fully rebuilding the Bifrost.

Also, switching her to a wormhole!scientist who just happens to specialize in Asgard makes it seem as if she was created just to be Thor's love interest. "Thor! Need someone to make out with? That's cool, we've got a crazy repressed lady who's dedicated her entire life to trying to find you (even though she didn't know it was YOU, but whatever), so, you know, you won't even have to try or anything!"

But she doesn't 'just happen' to - if she hadn't specialised in Bifrost/wormholes, she'd never have met Thor. It's not like he bumped into her randomly and found out she was studying him, she was investigating the phenomena, and her initial interest in him was because he was a part of that phenomena. Also, why do you feel Jane was crazy or repressed? Sure, she's dedicated to her subject, but she's good friends with a colleague, she's friends with her somewhat-confused intern, and she's clearly recently had a boyfriend.

his was after the only (on screen) interaction between them had been Thor kissing Jane's hand and Jane giggling a bit.

It was also after Jane helped him break into a secure government facility and then persuaded Erik to fake official documents to lie to SHIELD to break Thor out of SHIELD custody. By the point Erik warns Thor, Jane has already done something risky, made Erik do something risky, and had her life's work confiscated due to Thor.

a) Female scientists = awesome, but you can be a powerful, interesting woman and NOT a scientist.

Yes, you can, but when there are hardly any female scientists in Marvel comics and lots of male ones, I think it's great to even the field a little. Sure, nurses can be absolutely be awesome, but so can female astrophysicists, and we see a lot more female nurses on the screen than female astrophysicists.

And I really don't see the characters around them proclaiming their love; I don't recall Darcy, Loki or the Warriors Three bringing it up, and Erik had reasonable cause for worry that Thor would cause trouble for Jane, as he already had caused her trouble.

Happy to have long conversations about Marvel movies! :D Not obnoxious at all.

I know there a lot of female life scientists, we can be awesome too!
(Though I admit, 'Medical and Molecular Bioscience' isn't what most think of when you say 'life science'.)

I will admit, there were a few things that I started with, that made me a bit worried about enjoying both movies.

1. I grew up with stories from Norse mythology. My mother is Norwegian,and we had a lot of books with myths and folk tales from Norway. Marvel!Thor isn't Mythology!Thor,and I was worried about that,but I was fine with it.

2. It's Captain America. That is, Mr. Propaganda from a country I've never been to. I have struggled with that one for a while,actually. The movie handled it beautifully, and in most other adaptations I can focus on the man out of time aspect.

That being said, I did enjoy both films... I just liked Captain America more (and disliked neither of them for the reasons I'd worried about)

It is worth noting though, that CA had a much less complicated villain than Thor, which made it easier to cheer for the hero.

Also, Hugo Weaving! :D

(Yay for life sciences! Yay for anything that you're good at and take pride in, really!)

1) This is a tangent, but I totally had this same reaction to Disney's Hercules. Not for the title character, but for Hades who, at the time, was my favorite Greek god and I was sad that he was painted as the villain YET AGAIN. But, actually, Disney!Hades was awesome! So it was all good.

2) I'm glad! I was a little worried about this myself, actually. I'm American, but I didn't really want that to be what the movie was about. The advertising tag line, "Heroes are made in America" made me wince, but fortunately they didn't really go there.

HUGO WEAVING! I've been watching behind the scenes The Hobbit things, so he's back as Elron, but some part of me always expects him to go evil. I thought he did well! A little two-dimensional, but, like you said, it made it easier to focus on Cap. Not every bad guy has to have sweeping depth. That's my thought, anyway.

You definitely can! But there's a tendency in fiction, when making them scientists, to make them life scientists - in the Ultimate universe, for instance, both Sue and Jan go from secretary and fashion designer respectively to bio PhDs. (And then don't do much science compared to their male counterparts, sigh.)

It is worth noting though, that CA had a much less complicated villain than Thor, which made it easier to cheer for the hero.

I had absolutely no trouble at all cheering for Thor, lol. When Loki told his brother who'd only ever loved him that his father was dead, his mother hated him, and he could never come home, and Thor thanked him, that was really all I needed. The fact Loki followed this up by trying to murder him was just icing, really. In my view, Loki has a lot of redeeming to do. Not that Thor is by any means perfect, but I had no difficulty rooting for him to stop Loki.

(As a note, I've seen a lot of people arguing that Loki was neglected/disliked by his family, and I don't at all understand why - the Warriors Three and Sif mistrust Loki, but Thor trusts him totally, and never thinks to question him. Odin is all 'you're our son and we love you', Frigga is all 'you're our son and we love you'. The only indication Odin favours Thor at all is selecting him for King, and that's explained by Odin's plan for Thor and Loki to bring about friendly relations between Asgard and Jotunheim; presumably he's either going to send Loki as an ambassador, or (more likely in my view) have him succeed Laufey on the throne of Jotunheim. Even after he's done his darnedest to murder Thor and commit genocide, Thor and Odin still risk their lives trying to pull him up from the broken Bifrost. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS COMES FROM.

My personal headcanon is that Loki was Favourite Son and Odin figured he'd fob the Kinging off on Thor and then he and Loki would go out fishing every day for quality father-son time. He's super disappoint that now he has to keep on being King. He's been setting aside interesting books for him and Loki to read together for decades.)

Spoilers for anyone who hasn;t seen Thor

Odin:
* Killed Loki's parents
* Nearly killed him
* Only saved him for political reasons
* Never told him the truth

My opinion: Loki was having a massive tantrum, because he found out he's adopted. The Asgardians are a dramatic people, and his reaction was just that. Dramatic. Personally, I think if they'd let him have that (which was somewhat deserved, everything he thought he'd known turned out to be a lie), he would've gone back to his family. Reasoning: He freaked out when Odin fell and intended to Laufrey to prove himself.

My headcanon: He tried to be the villain, realised he couldn't hurt the people he loved, then one attacked him (admittedly unknowingly) so he pretty much decided "Well, ok then."

And for some reason I keep thinking of King Richard III (damn English!)
"As I cannot prove a lover to entertain these fair, well spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain and hate the pleasures of these days."

Odin didn't kill Laufey? Loki's other parent, if he has one, isn't mentioned. Loki killed Laufey, when Laufey came to kill Odin. (Unless I'm misremembering and that wasn't Laufey, in which case Laufey's presumably still alive.) And when did Odin almost kill him? He seemed in no danger of killing the baby. Sure, he took him home for political reasons, and didn't tell him he was adopted, but he and Frigga seem to have treated him exactly as a son. (For example - Frigga could have stopped him taking the throne of Asgard by revealing he was by birth a Jotun. She didn't. She clearly considered him worthy to rule, even though she wasn't sure Odin would ever recover or Thor ever return.) Not telling him he's adopted - well, it's a choice a lot of parents make, so I'm not going to condemn it. When Loki realised something was wrong, Odin told him the entire truth and assured him of his parental love, as did Frigga.

I don't have a problem with him reacting strongly to finding out he's adopted, really, but I don't see how they could have let him have his tantrum any more - Thor said, okay, kill me if you feel it's necessary. Do you think they should have let Loki destroy an entire world (including his biological father and family) to get over his tantrum? I mean - I would think murdering an entire species would also cause one quite a few issues.

He tried to be the villain, realised he couldn't hurt the people he loved, then one attacked him (admittedly unknowingly) so he pretty much decided "Well, ok then."

I'm confused by this, could you elaborate? He did, effectively, kill Thor. Loki sent the Destroyer to kill him, and then explicitly paused, considered it, and then struck a killing blow. Thor didn't die because Mjolnir activated to save him. (I'm also not sure who you mean attacked him unknowingly - I must be slow today, lol.)

I don't think Loki's beyond redemption (unlike the Red Skull) but I do think betraying and trying to murder his brother, and attempting genocide, put him solidly in the villain category right now, and any redemption arc will need him to put in some work. (On a similar note, I think Thor at the beginning of the film is treading close to villain territory with his desire to go and start a war and kill a whole load of people for the glory and fun of it.)

Loki never intended for the frost giants to kill everyone. His plan was to get them to attack, and save everyone. Admittedly not a good plan, but never one meaning real harm (and very like mythology!Loki, that is, a trickster, buta s upset as anyone else when it goes wrong). The Destroyer was him trying to keep Thor out of the way.

When I refer to "unknowingly", I mean in Asgard, when Loki is trying to do his save the day thing.

I'm sorry, we seem to be talking at complete cross-purposes here. I never said anything about Loki intending to kill all of Asgard. I'm talking about his attempt to destroy Jotunheim, and all the Jotuns who live there. IE he is trying to destroy an entire world and wipe out a whole sentient species including, presumably, a number of his genetic relatives. He tells Odin he intended to do this. He's explicit about the fact he intended to commit genocide to impress Odin. (He also let Frigga face two Frost Giants alone - it's only luck they didn't strike her with a killing blow when they knocked her over, because Loki only arrived in time to save his father, not his mother.)

When I refer to "unknowingly", I mean in Asgard, when Loki is trying to do his save the day thing.

But who attacked him? Are you talking about Thor? Thor was trying to stop him from wiping out the Jotuns. It wasn't a case of Thor foolishly rushing in and stopping Loki from saving the day. Wiping out the Jotuns was a Bad Thing.

Oh and also: The Destroyer was him trying to keep Thor out of the way.

Yeah, by killing him. They make it pretty clear in the movie, by Thor's glazing open eyes and the frantic sobbing and so on, that Thor hasn't just got a booboo.

And the Destroyer was wiping out the town, which didn't have anything to do with who got to rule Asgard. Loki didn't tell it "Go keep Thor from coming home," or even "Kill Thor;" he told it to "Destroy Everything," thus murdering a bunch of random people in the town (and anyone know what happened to the SHIELD Agents besides Coulson?). Or he would have had Jane and Thor not evacuated the town.

It is clear that we have different interpretations, and it is difficult for us to communicate how we got to them. This is because interpretation is subjective, not objective. I am not going to convince you of my viewpoint, and you are not going to convince me of yours, becase of the difference in initial interpretation. Thus, I am not going to add more discussion, as this is likely to turn into flaming. Internet arguments can get nasty, especially as we do not know each other, and tone and body language cannot accurately be conveyed.

So, back on topic: Thankyou Kahn for these wonderful links, and I cannot wait for next May!

I don't see what the problem is. Clearly all you have to do is admit that I am right an your are wrong and everything will be fine from there. =g=

I thought this had been rather civil so far. Especially given what I actually think about film!Loki. However, I'm happy to leave it here.

This is because interpretation is subjective, not objective.

We saw Loki kill his genetic father Laufey on screen while Odin was unconscious. Your interpretation is that Odin killed Loki's parents.

I'm sorry, that goes beyond subjectivity. You are discussing events that simply did not happen in this movie. I might as well say it's my interpretation that Loki made out with Agent Coulson in the movie. It just didn't happen.

If you don't want to discuss it anymore, that's fine, but please, be aware there is a difference between interpreting what happens on screen and just... making things up.

I apologise for my horrible memory.

It's kind of awkward discussing movies in the space between movie and DVD, isn't it? I've more than once been surprised by a rewatch because I'd mentally reframed scenes in the interim.

I just think there's a bit of a tendency to gloss over the bad things Loki did because he's angsty and insecure and charming. IMO, it's a disservice to the character - his fierce pride and cunning and ruthlessness are part of what makes him fascinating. (Like, I don't know if you've read the JMS run, where Loki was female for a good chunk of it - but it was the ambiguity of Loki's characterisation, the fact he could do good things but also terrible things, that gave him so much tension and depth. There was a great moment when he realised a particular plan had played out to be so much more damaging than he'd intended, and he was actually horrified by what he'd inadvertantly brought about. It was great.)

You pretty much said what I was thinking :D! I'm from Sweden and haven't seen the Cap movie yet as it haven't been released yet (dear lolly GOD we're slow) so yeah I was all sparkles watching the trailer until that 'heroes are made in America' and then I was more like 'hmmmm..' (I'm half American but that still made my eye twitch) but so far I have hope that I'll get a deeper love for Steve because he tries to do good and help out his country. So yeah, really looking forward to the film before summer ends :).

Anyone else heard that they've confirmed Sharon Carter btw? She is apparently in the Cap movie in the end as a nurse or sumethin...

SHIELD Agent, and it's not confirmed it's Sharon. The same actress does play "Shield Agent" in the Avengers film too.

She says Code Thirteen, which surely has to be an Agent Thirteen reference.

Well, they confirmed it on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/fullcredits#cast) I guess we'll see if it's true later on.

Thank you for these wonderful links! This has made my night possibly even my week! =D

Thank you! I'm glad my crazy can bring some entertainment to others. :-D

awwww the short film with Coulson is only available on the Blu Ray? ;____;

You know someone will post it somewhere! That's my hope, anyway. Also, there's going to be several, so maybe they'll all be collected on The Avengers DVD?

Also, hi, Bart! Or maybe that's Wally (in your icon)? It's hard to tell without being able to see the color of his eyes. :-D

XD he's an OC of mine, actually. None of his stuff has yet to see the light of the Internet but I liked the test page so much I made an icon.
--> didn't occur to me that out of context, yeah, that kinda looks like Bart!

Ah--sorry! He's cute, though! Or...she? It's not obvious from the picture. :-D

WAIT, never mind, you said "he." Woo, I rock! (Sorry!)

I give you permission and my blessing to hang those posters all over our walls. ^_^

If I could buy them, I would. So far, I haven't found where I can or if the artist even has any intention of selling them. At least he has a name, now. When the first posted that article he was "unknown artist."

Edited 2011-08-07 22:34 (UTC)

not gonna lie, i'm crazy about the movie too. went to see captain america with my parents and came out screaming into my balled up hoodie after watching the teaser trailer at the end. mom thought i was crazy because i literally hyperventilated for 10 minutes. such a bonus that loki is in it.

The only reason I wasn't your emotional twin screaming into my leftover popcorn (because who can finish a large, WHO? But it always seems perfectly logical to get a large and then I feel guilty throwing it away) was because I saw the leaked trailer online about a week beforehand. Still, it was much much cooler on the big screen.

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