cap_ironman | Secret Wars: 1872 and Civil War!

I have only read 1872 but *flails* There are just SO MANY THINGS I want to have answers for. Or make up answers for. But! My most important takeaway from this were:

1) If Steve has seen the gun-on-a-spring sleeve thing, he probably knew Tony before Tony started with the drinking and hating guns thing yes?? *inserts minimum 2 years of friendship into backstory because reasons*

2) Tony has a code song to get Steve's attention while pretending to be too drunk to function outside his window, no seriously, that's what I'm taking away from the Oh, Danny Boy thing, particularly because someone failed their fact-checking----

wait. wait.

*starts concocting time-travel theories for a song written in 1910 being known by people in 1872* no, nevermind, probably just fact-checking. But if they were transported from say, WWI era--- or some kind of back to the future fusion---

anyway. 3) Tony is either not as drunk as he likes to pretend, extremely high-functioning, or too lucky by half, to have that kick-the-water-bucket-and-electrocute-bad-guy thing work.

4) Steeeeeeve, ye gods and little fishes man how long have you been waiting to do that thing?

Edited 2015-07-08 16:56 (UTC)

*inserts minimum 2 years of friendship into backstory because reasons*

*is right there along with you* They do seem to know each other well. I hope we find out soon what happened to put Tony off guns.

Tony has a code song to get Steve's attention while pretending to be too drunk to function outside his window, no seriously, that's what I'm taking away from the Oh, Danny Boy thing,

Apart from the fact-checking issue that was totally what we were supposed to take away from this, weren't we? I'm still stupidly grinning about it, hours after reading it. :)

This is still Secret Wars and battle world so I suppose getting the facts wrong is Dooms fault? He's god after all.

I'm so there with you on the friendship! It's obvious Tony trusts him a lot. I love it.

(I'm also still on the incoherent side of flailing)

Yes to all of this. Yes to ALL of it. XD

So much flailing here too. Kit's face from Carol Corps (http://imgur.com/EIAyV8z) basically sums up my feelings after reading 1872.

The fact that Steve clearly has a lot on his plate, but in our very first scene with him, he's talking to Tony about his drinking? Or the way he looks out for Tony, ordering him inside (and correcting his count, haha), when Tony's seeing double on page 14? I really hope there is a history there.

I didn't get that they had a prior code worked out, though I <3 that take so much. My read was that Tony needed a way to get Steve's attention. (But why was he loitering outside the jail to begin with? With so many people gunning for Steve, could it be he's protective? :3) Also, from Steve's reaction, I'd wager it's not the first time he's come singing around Steve's window...(which all screams to me, "Tony is pining for Steve on top of being worried.")

I don't think it's a prior code for what's happening this time, because Steve would react differently if it were. But it's clearly a way for Tony to get Steve'S attention and it feels like that happened before, probably for other reasons.

But why was he loitering outside the jail to begin with? With so many people gunning for Steve, could it be he's protective?
I definitely like that idea.

It was really obvious to me they both cared for each other and it was so sweet.

1872 is soooooo good so far, oh my god. I can't wait to see where the story's going.

I didn't think the song that Tony sings was a code between him and Steve but NOW I FUCKING DO. That's glorious.

I don't know why but I really loved that they had Steve throw up after Red Wolf kills that bad guy. When do we ever see Steve get queazy over something like that?

And Steve just smiling sweetly at his horse. And drunk fully functional Tony! I can't say enough about it, I loved every single page. (And the map! Who else freaked out over the map! I'm such a nerd for maps. Black Bolt has a ranch. Oh my god)

Oh yes, the map was the page I stared at the longest. :) Hank has a hardware store!

I loved the throwing up, too. Can't explain why either, it was just perfect.

Edited 2015-07-09 08:06 (UTC)

Did anyone else read Civil War after 1872 and wind up slightly...blasé? (I wish I'd read them in the opposite order, because it's impossible for me not to compare the two.) CW just seemed so...exposition heavy. I'm intrigued by the way things developed at the end, though...

I read it before and felt pretty meh about it then, too. It's basically what I expected from it, basically a whole world based on the messy Civil War style characterisation that I have trouble signing up to. And, yeah, it was much of exposition and to be honest it feels like both sides are being set up by a third party to escalate their conflict and most of that will rely on them acting confrontational.

I'm not terribly enthusiastic about that.

I'll admit I was intrigued by silverfox Tony though.

I can get on board with Steve and Tony fighting (at least over issues they would earnestly believe in)...but I hope we're not expected to swallow that T'Challa, Steve, or Tony were actually capable of setting into motion what happened at 42. The fact that that sort of system was even in place seems like odd characterization for Tony. But I guess they needed a plot device that would keep Steve from surrendering?

And, oh geeze, I just now realized that the shot was a call out to the court house. *face palm* I guess it will be interesting to see if Tony is saddled with guilt over anything.

The fact that that sort of system was even in place seems like odd characterization for Tony.

I agree with you on that, sooo much so. But I'm sure it's like the original Civil War more about people acting to make exactly the things happen that the writer need to happen and characterisation necessarily gets handwaved. ;/

Indeed, to me this Civil War felt so forced on characters that went so OOC I can't. So those were my thoughts exactly: characterization (or even logical reactions) thrown away for the sake of plot going forward. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. I could get it at the original Civil War because they where many fix-it stuff afterwards and it was the first time... but here it just seemed sloppy.

Also, someone should tell the colorist that having a blond character doesn't mean that he gets to use the yellowest yellow that clashes with the rest of the color palette. It looked that Steve dyed his hair with some graffiti fluorescent yellow spray...

I could get it at the original Civil War because they where many fix-it stuff afterwards and it was the first time... but here it just seemed sloppy.

*nods* The whole "Civil War never ended" premise is just too out there. They would have had to sell it much harder to me to make it work, tbh. This way characterisation was just hand-waved and we get all the exposition for "this is how things are now" and that's it.

Secret Wars: 1872 and Civil War!

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