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Need a canon moment reference
For something I'm working on, I'm trying to find a 616 canon moment where Steve sees Tony killed or is in a situation where a missing (or dead or comatose or etc) Tony is gone but Steve is inspired to continue to be a hero or do more heroics because Tony. I've been racking my brain and can't think of the right thing that gets me what I'm aiming for.
Any help/references/butt-kicking would be appreciated.
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Hmmm, either one might work actually. Thank you for the start!
This is for my Big Bang fic so I'm trying to find things that Tony did to inspire Steve to continue to be a superhero. The problem is probably fundamental due to different influences that Steve and Tony have on each other and I'm trying to hard to find a parallel event. Hmmm.
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I've decided to go with a multiverse story for my Big Bang fic -- the general idea is that AA Steve gets lost in the multiverse looking for AA Tony and Kang in the meantime is manipulating time streams so that Steve and Tony don't become or remain superheroes, the idea being that they influence each to be heroes and be better, all the best parts of Steve and Tony. Steve and Tony discover how much they need each other as they travel through the multiverse. So it's very clear what Tony learns from 1872 (1872 Tony becomes a hero because of the death of 1872 Steve). (Resolution depends on AA Tony convincing Iron Man: Armored Adventures Tony to spring Steve free from the containment unit and return to being Iron Man.)
So I was hoping to find a multiverse event that would be a parallel for Steve in a similar way.
I thought that there was a 616 main universe example. But then again, the problem might be fundamental in that Tony has these moments of what Steve has meant for him, Steve not so much (different people, different influences). So maybe what I need is a moment/event when Steve sees what Tony means for him ...
I'm more familiar with early canon stuff -- although Steve's reaction to returning to the mansion and discovering that all the original Avengers quit, except for him could work -- but that is more about losing Tony, not being inspired to continue to be a hero because of Tony.
What kind of superhero is Steve without a team and without Iron Man? Steve is better as person with a team and Tony balances him out -- but do we get a moment/event when Steve reflects on this?
616 is just more fertile ground for these explorations and I'm not as familiar with it all as I am with other canons.
And this is probably a Bad Bad Bad idea to get into a story/plot that might be too ambitious for me.
Thank you -- I'm sorry about how long my answer is ....
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Well, if your're with Kang there is the that fucked up Vol. 1 story line where Kang manipulates Tony into being a villain and he then dies, like this and is resurrected as a teenager.
I guess you're right that we generally get Tony being the one who reflects more on what Cap means to him. Cap really is his hero.
With Steve the moments when he shows what Tony means to him are usually quieter and more personal - like when he shows trust in Tony or worries about him, remembers he gave him a home, or when he defends him on TV during all of the Tiberus Stone slander. I see why that doesn't work at the same level of "inspiring" though.
But maybe something that would work for 616 Steve is more seeing Tony be kind as Tony - like doing charity or something, that he'd find inspiring? Or something that makes him realize that Tony doesn't seek attention for all the good work he did. Or remember how Tony repaired the shield for him once? I guess a moment where he realizes that Tony gives him stability would be good, or how much Tony is willing to do for him/the team/people?
There are also always moments like Red Zone or this or this with Tony nearly dying, that can work as a kind of parallel to the death. Like you say the situations are different though.
Hey! I'm sure you can do it! Don't let the plot idea intimidate you!!! :D I'll be here to cheer you on all the way. I love the idea!!
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Do you need it to be specifically Tony inspiring Steve to heroics? Or just him inspiring Steve in general? Because I would take a different approach to the latter if it was possible. While, yes, Steve does help inspire Tony to heroics, which is sometimes what he needs, I think that Steve has a different personal struggle, in that the heroics are NOT necessarily always good for him. So, Tony's influence on Steve is more toward caring about himself as a person rather than just being everyone's hero, and also questioning himself and facing his own stubbornness. I think there are more canon examples of that if you need this!
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Awww, thanks so much!
I'm kind of riffing on the trope of the supervillain trying to stop the heroes from becoming heroes by stopping them from becoming superheroes. The supervillain in this story realizes that Tony and Steve would be superheroes if they were in each other's lives.
The Tony part is easy -- the idea being that if Tony doesn't have Steve in his life, he bounces back and forth out of being a superhero, etc. The plot hinges on Tony convincing a Steve-less Tony to find his Steve.
I would like this to be on both sides -- you're absolutely right about the importance of Tony in Steve's life, because Steve would drive himself into the ground without a personal life. Avengers Assemble did a story like that (the Secret Avengers episode) even. If I did that, I'd have to figure out how to build to Steve's realization -- maybe it's better to focus on AA Steve missing his Tony and building up how in lots of universes, Tony helps ground him and widens his world. Hmmm.
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Good luck on working things out! I hope you find a solution that works for you :)
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I'm new to this, and am here because I'm hoping to submit a work for the Cap Iron Man Big Bang this year. I've left it to the very last minute to even try and write something, but I'm hoping the pressure will act as motivation. I came into this mad scheme with 8 thousand words written, and now I've hit 12.5 thousand. So good news is, I'm half way to the min word count, even if I'm not half way to finishing the story. Though, for a rare change I have a pretty good idea of a plot, including plot points that I know need to happen. Mostly thanks to the game that I'm basing this particular story on. Which actually turned out to be tricker than initially thought.
Okay, so I'll stop rambling and get back to writing my actual story.
Cheers!
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And that's great that you know what points you have to hit in your story, and now it's just a matter of banging out the words. Good luck, and I'm looking forward to seeing your story :D *waves pompoms*
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