ext_157739 ([identity profile] cat-13145.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] cap_ironman2009-02-21 08:19 pm

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Following a reply to a comment left on a fan fiction, I have decided to put it to vote.
There are evidently lots of people out there unhappy with the current situation, but we only have 4 members. Thus, I am throwing the floor open. How can we sort this out?
Please Vote below
[Poll #1353164]
I know I probably should have done this sooner, but this week has been kinda hetic and it honestly didn't cross my mind before. Please join [livejournal.com profile] virtualavengers to help us out. I apologise for the spelling error with Skrull. I used Word spell check on it, and it said it was alright. Unfortunately I forgot Skrull isn't reconised by Word. Sorry, Please don't kill me.

[identity profile] melisus.livejournal.com 2009-02-22 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I actually liked Steve's death. It was powerful story-telling, and I really like what it's done for Bucky's character and all.

...I also really liked Civil War... heh.

I guess I'll just sit in my corner all alone, lol.

[identity profile] northstar-rocks.livejournal.com 2009-02-23 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
You are not alone ::sits in corner with you::
The whole Civil war was a very powerful and well written story :D

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2009-02-23 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I really like what it's done for Bucky's character and all.


Really? IMO, it's turned Bucky from an interesting character into a generic brooding anti-hero figure who, as long as he continues to wear someone else's costume and identity, can never be his own character/hero. Brubaker's turned him from a fascinating character in his own right into a cheap copy of Steve Rogers - as long as he wears Steve's costume and Bru tries pass him off as Captain America, he'll be nothing but a pretender who will never live up to the original in fans' minds (the same way that Jason Todd will forever bear the stigma of being 'Dick Grayson's replacement' and never be thought of as the real Robin). I would have preferred that Steve's shield, costume, and name remain his and his alone forever, never to be carried again, and to see Bucky come into his own and create his own identity, something connected to but ultimately seperate from Steve's legacy (like Sam Wilson has done), instead of spending the next however-long of canon continuity stuck in Steve's shadow.

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2009-02-23 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* And on a completely shallow note, why must CaptainAmerica!Bucky's costume be so ugly? It's almost as ugly as the Ultimate-verse Iron Man armor, whereas the Winter Soldier costume was, like, sex on legs. Why, why did Brubaker have to deprive me of my ability to lust after a hot guy in black leather with a cyborg arm? I used to think there was no way short of Liefeld art to make a cyborg arm anything other than ultra-sexy, but Alex Ross's redesign on the Captain America costume has shown me that I was wrong.

I mean, if we don't get to look at Steve's "assets" in tight leather every issue anymore, Bucky still being a pretty cyborg assassin is the least I feel one can ask for *is shallow*

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2009-02-23 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure anyone at Marvel knows what age Natasha is supposed to be anymore - she's had her age retconned more times than anybody I can think of except Batman.

[identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
It's *such* an ugly costume, not to mention it was Ross being lazy, as it's a retread of his Spidey costume design (basically, the old costume dipped in tar.) I assumed that it was forced on Brubaker, because a) so much uglier than the gorgeous Winter Soldier costume and b) I figured that surely Brubaker would give the high profile, high prestige shot at a new costume to his own (excellent) artists. But when I expressed sympathy (not directly to him, just on a thread on the Bendis boards) about being forced into it, Brubaker himself appeared and freaked out about it was totally his choice.

Which led me to the conclusion that he's a bit of a dick.

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Springing the bait-and-switch "You think I'm giving him back to you but haha! I tricked you!" Fake!Cap plot twist on everyone On Memorial Day weekend was what convinced me of his dickishness. I mean, that plot line alone would have done it, since it's so obviously him deliberately raising readers' expectations only to dash them (like offering a kid an ice-cream cone that's been doused in tabasco sauce or giving your girlfriend a ring-sized jewelry box from De Biers that's empty), but it was a really unfortunate holiday to spring that little bit of gleeful fun at the readers' expense on everyone. I know the publication date wasn't under his control, but it was kind of the last straw for me, even more than putting Bucky in the costume (that's annoying, but the bait-and-switch thing was just gratuitously cruel).

[identity profile] melisus.livejournal.com 2009-02-24 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I think the idea behind the whole story though is to play off on the issues you've raised. Bucky isn't the same sort of Captain America (and in all fairness, he's really only on his first solo mission as the new Cap... so we haven't gotten to see him do a lot) but everyone expects him to be. The whole reason he became Cap is because that hero is supposed to be so iconic that someone needs to be him for the sake of the general mundane public. I like that Bucky has so much crap to deal with - having to come to terms with his past and the present that's been thrust upon him.

And I don't see it as the exact same costume. There are significant changes to the image of this new Cap. Because Bucky is a gruffer Cap, a Cap who would kill the enemy which a lot less regret. You're right that he's an anti-hero, but I like that. I like Brubaker's heavy story telling, especially since I'm someone who only recently got into comics so it allows me to really get to know the characters better. That could very well be colouring my perception of it all (being a comic noob), but I LIKE it, and I don't think Bucky's going to always be stuck in Steve's shadow. Right now he's just trying to bring all those parts of him together in order to hopefully find himself.

Though I do agree that the Winter Soldier get-up was nicer to look at. And he was a good villain.