Canon question about Steve

[amf-wip.livejournal.com]

Has he ever made a stance about abortion?

Comments

[therobotmuse.livejournal.com]

I doubt it. Things like that are touchy subjects, so I doubt they'd pin him to one side or another, lest it angers people.

*nods*

[amf-wip.livejournal.com]

I can understand that, from a publisher PoV.

IMO, I can see Steve being pro-choice, but wanting the people in his life to choose on the pro-life side. I'm just trying not to fly in the face of canon too much. :)

Re: *nods*

[perpet-fic.livejournal.com]

Steve believes very strongly in the the Constitution, and I think he'd fall on the side of abortion rights falling under the 4th and 15th amendments. I could see him being an advocate for open adoption but also being the hand-holder if a woman he knew decided to have the abortion.

Re: *nods*

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

IMO, I can see Steve being pro-choice, but wanting the people in his life to choose on the pro-life side. I'm just trying not to fly in the face of canon too much. :)

I think lots of prochoice people are like that too, including me. Ideally, there will be zero unwanted pregnancies, but if it does happen, there will a)be no averse consequences to carry it to term and b)the person wants to. It needs to be a choice because it's her body, and I think the person in question knows the best about her body, and the situation. I'm prochoice, but I'm only ever pro-abortion (as in I want someone to chose abortion) when it's a child, or incest, and probably rape.

[practical-puss.livejournal.com]

Aw, jeeze, I don't know. You could really go either way easily. For a sociology class last semester I had to do a bunch of research about attitudes about abortion 1900-1929 in immigrant communities of San Francisco. Do you have any idea how hard it is to research that kind of thing?! But that was almost all Asian, so I doubt that would be helpful to you. I was under the impression Steve is/was Catholic, but that could be me making assumptions based on his backround.
Anyway, one of the best/most frustrating things about Steve is that people inevitably project their own idea of "Best American Ever" onto him. So if whoever writing him is pro-choice, he's probably going to be at least a little pro-choice.

[amf-wip.livejournal.com]

Wow, that's an obscure topic. :)

I think Steve's Catholic too (although I'm not sure exactly where I got that impression), but he's very gung-ho about civil rights, which is why I think he'd support a woman's right to choose, but not want anyone immediately in his life to choose that path.

re: Steve's religion

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

There are a lot of Irish Protestants, in fact, that's a big reason where there Old Ireland had been split.

The Irish Catholics have a reason to leave UK because of religious persecution, but the Irish Protestants have a motive to leave to, especially if they don't want to chose between the Irish Catholics and English Protestants in the ongoing conflicts.

To me, Steve is probably Protestant, although he also could be one of those devoted Catholics who are more like olden days Protestants now. (Most of Quebec, and definitely France...I don't think their churches pay attention to the Pope anymore, a Catholic priest was at the funeral of Yves St Laurent, who was kinda married to his partner, Pierre Berge)

Re: Steve's religion

[transemacabre.livejournal.com]

There may well be some reference in canon that sheds some light on what religion Steve was raised, but just from his name and those of his parents (Joseph and Sarah) I'm going with Protestant. Irish Protestants favored a lot of Old Testament names like Sarah and Joseph that were rarely used by Catholics, who preferred names like Catherine, Margaret, and the names of the patron saint of the diocese, such as Malachy or Declan.

Re: Steve's religion

[amf-wip.livejournal.com]

Good point.

[jetsuffragette.livejournal.com]

Seeing as how Steve was Obama before Obama was, I'm pretty sure he'd be pro-choice. Don't think it ever came up in canon, though.

Ult!Steve might well be against it?

...or JFK

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

I saw a picture of JFK a few months ago, and it struck me how some 60s era drawings of Steve really resembles JFK, even though Steve was created in the 40s, well, a lot of stuff was added later, and they might have used JFK as a model. I know Gene Roddenberry created the original Star Trek with JFK in mind, something to keep the hope up after his death.

...and wow, right now, I'm reading Walter Simmonson's FF Visionaries, which was 1989-1990, and it depict a)Superhuman Registration, and a sane rebuke by Reed Richards, and b)A completely different Reed Richard, he was triangularly bulky, and Stereotypically Male Lead, as oppose to introversive nerd. I'm way more attached to the modern depiction of 616 or MA Reed, but I like how the whole book isn't back and forth infighting.

[kijikun.livejournal.com]

Is is an question of 'in general would Steve be pro-choice or pro-life?' or is is 'if someone was pregnant with his child would he be okay with abortion?'?

[amf-wip.livejournal.com]

:) In a "pregnant with his child" way, though I already know how I'm going to handle it. In general, I think he'd be choice, but in his own situation, he'd want the child.

[amarin-rose.livejournal.com]

Ultimates Steve is definitely less tolerant than 616 Steve, if only because he's had less exposure to the 21st century and time to reevalute his values. I can see 616 Steve being against abortion at least for the first few years after he thaws because a) it's a life, b) abortions are dangerous (by 40s standards).