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hohaiyee.livejournal.com) wrote in cap_ironman2009-05-24 08:56 pm
Circumstances and Choices - Steve, Sharon, and Tony
Inspired by the comments in the last post. Why canon actually does support, and not interfere with, Steve/Tony;
In general, I'll ship any ship that has a good argument for it and/or is written well. I'll even ship ships that cannot or have difficulty existing at the same time. I still have OTPs, favourites, that might or might not contradict canon.
With the Steve Rogers and Tony Stark ship, though it might not have been officially shipped by The Powers That Be, it Might As Well Be Canon. Oh, if only the people in charge will grow a set, note that Times Have Changed, and the success of the Harvey Milk movie, and just marry them the way they had Reed marry Sue way back then already! Steve/Tony not only has a long list of canon hints, it does not contradict canon.
Sharon Carter is an awesome character, but she's not Steve's One and True love, though Steve has had less girlfriends than Tony, he's had quite a few. Peggy Carter of the French Resistance, Rachel Leighton (Diamondback), Betsy Ross (Golden Girl), and Bernie Rosenthal. Unlike their DC Counterparts, neither Iron Man nor Captain America ever had any iconic OTP like Catwoman and Lois Lane.
It is canon that Sharon and Steve's relationship is on and off, they have broken off many times before. Did the same thing happened with Diamondback before it was over for good? The way I read it, canon has it set up that Tony and Steve is compatible in a way that and Steve never could, except maybe in 1610 (Ultimate verse).
Steve Rogers is your Boy Next Door. He's unfailingly decent, kind, considerate, and dorkily fun. He's both an artist and an ourdoorsman. Had Steve not grown up in poverty, he would have been in the boy scouts. Had Steve not come to age during the genocide across Europe, he would not have joined the army. Steve is not comfortable with killing people or even fighting them, he doesn't relish kicking ass. Steve joined the war effort because it was desperate times, the atrocities across the sea was such that even a pacifist like him felt that it needed to be stopped with force. Steve Rogers doesn't like to fight, but he won't walk away from people that needs to be defended.
Steve left home thinking that he will come back when the war is over, if he survives it, finish school, take a job and marry, white picket fence, a retirement with grankids and a wife to keep him company, the American Dream. Steve wakes up to find that the war finished without him, most of his friends are dead, the life he thought was waiting for him is gone. There are more bad guys now, so Steve joins the Avengers, even though this time, there is no end date in mind. Steve will fight as long as he needs to fight, but when the Young Avengers are mature and he has someone to settle down with, I think he will.
Sharon Carter is an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., she's like, James Bond. While Steve was a soldier, Sharon's job description brings her closer to what the Winter Soldier and Black Widow does, though she works for a better cause (at least SHIELD is supposed to be solely anti-terrorist). Sharon Carter is a spy, an assassin even. Though there are serious problems that needed to be addressed by SHIELD, Sharon Carter grew up during peacetime, someone else could have done her job, but she chose to live that life. Considering how quick her response was when the AIM goons broke in on them in Red Menace, it wouldn't surprise me if Sharon does sleep with a gun under her pillow. Sharon loves her job, and she definitely relish kicking ass.
The reason that Steve and Sharon has never worked out is this; Steve wants to settle down, and Sharon doesn't. I can't ever see Sharon settling down, not even when she's 50, not even when she's 80, because hey, undercover work requires people of different ages after all. People can change, but I can't see Sharon setting down with Steve, because it would be setting down too much for her. There will be too much routines, and life with Steve will be sweet until the midlife crisis morning when Sharon runs off to troll for adventure while Steve paces on their porch. A soldier fights in the trenches when there is a war and then goes home. A secret agent is always a secret agent, Sharon lives on the the helicarrier. If Steve didn't died, chances are they would have broke up again very soon. They got back together this time right after Steve found out that Bucky was still alive and was all hopeful about old ties.
Anthony Stark is the leader of Stark Industries, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and the board room chair stuck to his rear. Like Steve, Tony lives a life of duty thrust upon him by circumstances that doesn't exactly let him quit. The world needs Captain America, so Steve goes on being The Cape long after the war he signed up to fight is over. The world needs Iron Man, and Stark Industries, so Tony does both. Tony relishes kicking ass as Iron Man and as a business man, but no doubt it would be nice to play video games with Peter without the ever hanging worry that the lives and livelihoods of countless people rely on you not screwing up, ever. While Tony has probably been 'on more hotel pillows than mint', he's a serial monogamist that enters into relationship with a desire to actually settle down. It's just Tony's bad luck, encouraged no doubt by the reek of his desperation, that he ended up with women who either use him, or is emotionally worse off than him and self-destruct, or has control issues so severe they think they have a right to kill him for leaving, or cheats on him for lulz, and/or dies. One day, when there is a good successor (there is actually a comic out there with an old Iron Man that is about this), Tony will enjoy retirement.
Steve/Tony is a very good thing, not only because they are the perfect partner for the other, but because intimacy will definitely improve their existing friendship. Tony needs someone to take control without taking advantage, someone who does it to take care of him. I think Steve will respond to that the way he has previously responded to Sharon's need for space and Diamondback's need for a no questions ask shoulder to cry on when she needs it. Except, this is a need that Steve will much more happily fulfill that the other, because he does want to settle down after all, and he's a man of the 40s, he would "love, honour, and cherish" Tony.
When Steve and Tony are 'just friends', there are lines that needs to be crossed that they won't cross. Like, back when Tony was drinking himself to death, Steve left him to it because it wasn't his place to intervene... If Steve and Tony was sleeping together though, in a relationship, Steve wouldn't have left him alone.
Heck, it's canon that in the universe where Captain America married Iron Man (though a woman in that universe), Civil War was averted! I bet the reason that everything is sunnier in the Marvel Adventures verse, it is because of all the dates that Steve and Tony keeps going on. Their love does make the world go round!
ETA: Oh, canon question for this overdue kink fic I'm writing...during the Sentient Armour became Tony's abusive boyfriend episode, will EMP interfere with Tony's heart. Who was in the Avengers then? Was this before or after the crazy girlfriend who shot him? Before or after that Stoned guy?
In general, I'll ship any ship that has a good argument for it and/or is written well. I'll even ship ships that cannot or have difficulty existing at the same time. I still have OTPs, favourites, that might or might not contradict canon.
With the Steve Rogers and Tony Stark ship, though it might not have been officially shipped by The Powers That Be, it Might As Well Be Canon. Oh, if only the people in charge will grow a set, note that Times Have Changed, and the success of the Harvey Milk movie, and just marry them the way they had Reed marry Sue way back then already! Steve/Tony not only has a long list of canon hints, it does not contradict canon.
Sharon Carter is an awesome character, but she's not Steve's One and True love, though Steve has had less girlfriends than Tony, he's had quite a few. Peggy Carter of the French Resistance, Rachel Leighton (Diamondback), Betsy Ross (Golden Girl), and Bernie Rosenthal. Unlike their DC Counterparts, neither Iron Man nor Captain America ever had any iconic OTP like Catwoman and Lois Lane.
It is canon that Sharon and Steve's relationship is on and off, they have broken off many times before. Did the same thing happened with Diamondback before it was over for good? The way I read it, canon has it set up that Tony and Steve is compatible in a way that and Steve never could, except maybe in 1610 (Ultimate verse).
Steve Rogers is your Boy Next Door. He's unfailingly decent, kind, considerate, and dorkily fun. He's both an artist and an ourdoorsman. Had Steve not grown up in poverty, he would have been in the boy scouts. Had Steve not come to age during the genocide across Europe, he would not have joined the army. Steve is not comfortable with killing people or even fighting them, he doesn't relish kicking ass. Steve joined the war effort because it was desperate times, the atrocities across the sea was such that even a pacifist like him felt that it needed to be stopped with force. Steve Rogers doesn't like to fight, but he won't walk away from people that needs to be defended.
Steve left home thinking that he will come back when the war is over, if he survives it, finish school, take a job and marry, white picket fence, a retirement with grankids and a wife to keep him company, the American Dream. Steve wakes up to find that the war finished without him, most of his friends are dead, the life he thought was waiting for him is gone. There are more bad guys now, so Steve joins the Avengers, even though this time, there is no end date in mind. Steve will fight as long as he needs to fight, but when the Young Avengers are mature and he has someone to settle down with, I think he will.
Sharon Carter is an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., she's like, James Bond. While Steve was a soldier, Sharon's job description brings her closer to what the Winter Soldier and Black Widow does, though she works for a better cause (at least SHIELD is supposed to be solely anti-terrorist). Sharon Carter is a spy, an assassin even. Though there are serious problems that needed to be addressed by SHIELD, Sharon Carter grew up during peacetime, someone else could have done her job, but she chose to live that life. Considering how quick her response was when the AIM goons broke in on them in Red Menace, it wouldn't surprise me if Sharon does sleep with a gun under her pillow. Sharon loves her job, and she definitely relish kicking ass.
The reason that Steve and Sharon has never worked out is this; Steve wants to settle down, and Sharon doesn't. I can't ever see Sharon settling down, not even when she's 50, not even when she's 80, because hey, undercover work requires people of different ages after all. People can change, but I can't see Sharon setting down with Steve, because it would be setting down too much for her. There will be too much routines, and life with Steve will be sweet until the midlife crisis morning when Sharon runs off to troll for adventure while Steve paces on their porch. A soldier fights in the trenches when there is a war and then goes home. A secret agent is always a secret agent, Sharon lives on the the helicarrier. If Steve didn't died, chances are they would have broke up again very soon. They got back together this time right after Steve found out that Bucky was still alive and was all hopeful about old ties.
Anthony Stark is the leader of Stark Industries, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and the board room chair stuck to his rear. Like Steve, Tony lives a life of duty thrust upon him by circumstances that doesn't exactly let him quit. The world needs Captain America, so Steve goes on being The Cape long after the war he signed up to fight is over. The world needs Iron Man, and Stark Industries, so Tony does both. Tony relishes kicking ass as Iron Man and as a business man, but no doubt it would be nice to play video games with Peter without the ever hanging worry that the lives and livelihoods of countless people rely on you not screwing up, ever. While Tony has probably been 'on more hotel pillows than mint', he's a serial monogamist that enters into relationship with a desire to actually settle down. It's just Tony's bad luck, encouraged no doubt by the reek of his desperation, that he ended up with women who either use him, or is emotionally worse off than him and self-destruct, or has control issues so severe they think they have a right to kill him for leaving, or cheats on him for lulz, and/or dies. One day, when there is a good successor (there is actually a comic out there with an old Iron Man that is about this), Tony will enjoy retirement.
Steve/Tony is a very good thing, not only because they are the perfect partner for the other, but because intimacy will definitely improve their existing friendship. Tony needs someone to take control without taking advantage, someone who does it to take care of him. I think Steve will respond to that the way he has previously responded to Sharon's need for space and Diamondback's need for a no questions ask shoulder to cry on when she needs it. Except, this is a need that Steve will much more happily fulfill that the other, because he does want to settle down after all, and he's a man of the 40s, he would "love, honour, and cherish" Tony.
When Steve and Tony are 'just friends', there are lines that needs to be crossed that they won't cross. Like, back when Tony was drinking himself to death, Steve left him to it because it wasn't his place to intervene... If Steve and Tony was sleeping together though, in a relationship, Steve wouldn't have left him alone.
Heck, it's canon that in the universe where Captain America married Iron Man (though a woman in that universe), Civil War was averted! I bet the reason that everything is sunnier in the Marvel Adventures verse, it is because of all the dates that Steve and Tony keeps going on. Their love does make the world go round!
ETA: Oh, canon question for this overdue kink fic I'm writing...during the Sentient Armour became Tony's abusive boyfriend episode, will EMP interfere with Tony's heart. Who was in the Avengers then? Was this before or after the crazy girlfriend who shot him? Before or after that Stone
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