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I've got a few lines of dialogue that I want to get out of my head, a canon question, and a couple of odd plot ideas.

Dialogue first, I know this is pre-CW and Tony's speaking in Steve's hearing, but the rest isn't clear.

"I'm going to bring Steve in on the registration issue."

"No Reed, I respect you, but you're even worse with people thatn I am, we need someone who understands how people tick and can inspire them."

"Maybe if I talk to him before it blows up he'll be willing to hear me out and listen to the full explanation."

Canon wise, has Steve ever been wrong and admitted it?

Plot ideas:

1) Based on the whole 'Tony doesn't understand how healthy relationships work' - Tony and Steve have their first relationship fight, and Steve's really creeped out by the way Tony's reacting - almost like he's trying to provoke Steve to hurt him, but at the same time he's being weirdly seductive.

2) Someone's interfering with Steve's hormone balance and self-control, making him ore agressive, short-tempered and highly sexed. He starts fucking Tony as a result, and hurts him during sex (not badly enough for Tony to consider it a problem, but badly enough to make Steve feel really guilty afterwards). When they find out what happened he starts avoiding Tony, and Tony thinks it's because he took advantage of Steve. When it comes out Tony says something about how he should have noticed somethign was off about Steve and Steve flinches, asking if Tony blames Steve for not noticing when Tony's been mind controlled in the past.

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Yeah Steve has apologised for being wrong, or erring on the side of (mis) judgement. I do remember his dealings with Sam (sorry, I'm still trying to catch up on 616 Steve canon and still on volume 1. Someone save me) and him wanting to understand various issues and will acknowledge his error.

There was an episode where he and Tony got their signals mixed up (was it armour wars?) and when the men exchanged apologies, he's all, sorry and doesn't make a big deal out of it, but is sincere. Steve tends to apologise in a 'guy' way though. Like, he'll go, "About X and Y, probably I should have done it that way. I'll do better next time." *bracing slap on shoulder* or *hand shake*

Erm, Reed Richards tends to speak a tad more formal than how you write him there ('blows up'). He's very much a scientist, and on this side of rigid sometimes, especially if he thinks he's right, he gets all... huffy.

Actually I only had Tony's side of the conversation there, but thanks for letting me know that yes, Steve is capable of acknowledging his mistakes.

I just read the dialogue and it seemed a tad unclear. Again. My. Bad.

Not really, I should have explicitly mentioned that Tony was the only one speaking there.

For the record, I really like the second plot idea.

Oh, you need to do the second one. Especially that last part. People not noticing when Tony's been mind-controlled/replaced is something that drives me nuts.

Unfortunately I don't have the background in canon or the skill as a writer to do it justice. But it's free for anyone who wants to use it.

Thanks.

Dude, I just read Avengers, issue 2, "Space Phantom", where Hulk was replaced, and it brought out everyone yelling at how bad Hulk is at his replacement, not noticing the difference, and then Hulk left.

Tony on the other hand, seem very accepting of his friends thinking the worse of him.

Which just makes it worse because Hulk has the common sense to not hang around and put up with that kind of crap while Tony doesn't.

It's not common sense IMO, it's self-esteem - as in Tony has very little of it except when it comes to his skills as an engineer.

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Hmmm I guess the tag would be 'plot bunny'? or 'canon question'

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