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Avengers Prime #2: Complete That Thought!

Avengers Prime #2 hit the shelves today. I just want to highlight some ~~sub~~text.

In this issue of Avengers Prime, Tony, Thor, and Steve go off on their own adventures. In Steve's, he makes out with an Empathic Chick Who Reminds Him Of Wanda. Yeah, I know. But before he does, he says:

Steve: I just -- I didn't do enough for [Wanda]. I couldn't help her when she needed help. And now I -- I'm getting a chance at life. A third chance really and I - I think I maybe he making the same mistakes again. I'm fighting with my brothers when I feel nothing but love and respect for them. I stand my ground on principle when all I really want to do is -- Um, why am I pouring myself out like this?

Non!Wanda: That would be my doing, mortal. I am empathic. Don't be ashamed of your true feelings. They are quite beautiful.

So... What does Steve really want to do?

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YAY! Let's play!

Steve: I'm fighting with my brothers when I feel nothing but love and respect for them. I stand my ground on principle when all I really want to do is—

—have a spiritually incestuous threesome.

—go home. :(

—not die (again).

—stop making out with strange women when he's supposedly with Sharon.

—the Time Warp again! (It's just a jump to the left—)

—Care Bear Stare.

—pose in the nude. (Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)

—get a better writer.

You forgot

- Steve really wants to celebrate Prop 8's overturning by going clubbing!

Dear!!

I did! (facepalm) OH, the same! That should have been #1.

Yay for freedom! ♥

—DANCE, DANCE!

- Bend over for Thor until he makes me swear in Italian.

Steve: I stand my ground on principle when all I really want to do is --

-- Sing!
Music swells
King of Swamp Castle: Stop that! Stop it!
Music Fades
Steve: Um, this isn't Monty Python.
Non!Wanda: Ni.

(it's possible I'm a little cracked in the head.....)

No, no... that's brilliant and is now my head canon! ;D

It's writing like this that makes me think Bendis hasn't actually read a single Avengers book, including his own. He mocks us, laughing as we cringe.

For my little submission:

-- Grab Tony and Thor in a giant bear hug, whilst slowly, unabashedly, lowering his hand towards Tony's pert little bottom, listening closely and awaiting the eventual lip-bitten moan.

Yeeeeeeees <3 Grope Tony!
As for Bendis, I dunno [shakes head] he can write pretty bad stuff, and then he can write great stuff [looks at Ultimate Spiderman] Well...I like it...it's the only thing in Ultimate-verse I really dig.

- Snuggle on the couch with my shield

- Snuggle on the couch with Tony

- Snuggle on the couch with Tony and the shield

- Order a metric ton of Chinese take-out and have a classic movie marathon with Tony and Thor

- Have a round of manly bro-hugs with everyone

- Go back in time to punch Hitler some more to relieve stress

- Have a relationship that does not turn into a national security crisis or a reason for years of therapy or both

- Go live in Marvel Adventures canon

Go live in Marvel Adventures canon

Oh goodness, who in 616 doesn't want that?!

If only Marvel would take the hint and continue the Avengers line. I'm not that thrilled with the Marvel Heroes setup to be honest.

Well, BMB could be completely ignoring that Tony exists, like Brubaker is doing. Or he could be... okay I've completely lost track of what Fraction is doing due to lack of caring, but...

In anycase...

Wait, didn't Wanda mindrape Steve?

I don't know that mindrape is fair; she interacted with him psychically, and they made out (they explicitly didn't have sex) but there's no indication she was controlling/influencing his responses to her?

Like she clearly messed with him in the I want you/I don't know what you're talking about way, but I don't think it's really mindrape-y. (I think it's also unclear as to whether she was deliberately hurting him or just having madness in his general direction.)

Is he even fighting with Thor? I mean... surely the Steve-Thor interaction should be 'yay you're not dead!' from both sides.

Also, Steve. Don't cheat on Sharon! (Or is this evidence Steve and Sharon have an open relationship?)

I have trouble believing that Steve would be alright with an open relationship, because... well because it's STEVE for crying out loud.

Well, I guess I find an open relationship more believable than cheating for him. :/

True... I see your point.

However, you could argue that he was manipulated into the relationship by the non!Wanda empath. After all, Steve did like Wanda, that was canon, and a good empath could manipulate that into stronger feelings... So, theoretically, we could just blame it on the non!Wanda empath...

I'm going to go with that plan, personally.

If I were a hot empathic chick and Steve wandered past, I would definitely pounce. Shortly, Steve will say 'so actually I have a girlfriend, um' and she will be 'oops' and later on Steve will be 'there was accidental making out, Sharon,' and Sharon will be, 'sure there was. You may earn my forgiveness by accidentally making out with Bucky. Natasha's forgiveness, too.' And Steve will be :/ 'why do I need Natasha's forgiveness?' and Sharon will be 'DUH for kissing her boyfriend?' and Natasha will be, 'yes, I demand recompense. Here is your martini, Sharon, pull up a chair and let us observe the proceedings.'

I seem to have slightly misplaced my chain of thought at some stage.

This is totally the vibe I got.

I also got the I Need To Show Steve's Emotions So I Am Going To Contrive A Scenario! vibe from the scene.

yeah I was wondering about what was wrong between Steve and Thor. I'm like, to my knowledge they have no quarrel unless [looks at Marvel] and man wouldn't it be an interesting twist that Thor actually points out Civil War (and in essence the events leading to Siege) was also Cap's fault as well since he and Tony didn't talk. But I don't think that would be likely I guess. I know in an interview, Bendis said that Thor and Steve have more issues with Tony then with each other...so maybe this is a makeup with Tony thing rather then the THREE making up.

Well, given the Thor-Steve conversation while Steve was dead, and the Tony-Thor interaction just after Thor returned, it seems Thor's sympathies lie heavily with Steve - which is pretty in-character for him, he's never been one for compromise or believing the ends justify the means, and he was pretty cheesed off with Clor.

But he also was happy to shut down Steve and Tony when they squabbled, so. Although that may just have been a passionate demand for attention for Thor, please! His city just fell down! Love him!

Perhaps it's just that Steve wants to be all happy and huggy because finally his best buddies are both with him and they're all alive and SHRA is over, but ISSUES, and that's making him grumpy and snipey at the pair of them, and he doesn't like it.

I dunno. I can sympathize. I want the fight to be over, but I still feel they can't just brush it under the carpet. I want a hot empathic chick to tell me my feelings are beautiful!

I may not be empathic nor a chick, and questionably hot, but, your feelings are beautiful.

"Perhaps it's just that Steve wants to be all happy and huggy because finally his best buddies are both with him and they're all alive and SHRA is over, but ISSUES, and that's making him grumpy and snipey at the pair of them, and he doesn't like it."

How is that anything but beautiful?

I actually loved how prime set up the little status quo the Marvel Trinity have going on. Steve gets the girl, Thor gets answers, Tony gets abused/beaten up/tortured.

And my contribution:

- forget the whole damned thing ever happened in the first place and move on.

[hugs Tony] lol, maybe "you only hurt the ones you love" holds true for Tony? XD Secretly Marvel loves him or he wouldn't be the leader in Super Hero Squad, look like the supposed leader in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes and be getting a second season on his Armored Adventures.....[denial] 8D

Pfft, as a writer, i torture my favorite characters. This holds true even for the ones I create. My lead character in my novel is so fucked in the head and twisted and the world seriously has never done a single good thing for him. And I do it all because it's that much more interesting. ;p Marvel & DC totally work the same way. Why show love with candy and roses? We show love with guns hidden behind the roses as we pull the trigger and cause spinal damage. :D Now that is love~~

No, srsly. I think that to write Tony, Marvel makes it's writers sign a contract that no matter what, they cannot seriously make him happy for more than a couple of panels. He always gets beaten up and tortured and generally abused. The only one who gets crapped on more than Tony is Deadpool, I swear.

You know being new to comics in general, when I went to see what was so interesting about Deadpool I squeeed...he's so...interesting! XD I dunno he's just awesome. But yeah, I hear you on torturing characters you love, I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one who does it XD Bhahaha.

As for Tony [pats him] yeah...maybe it's general Marvel rule that you have have a f-ed up life in or to be "more relatable." Personally, if they want to pull this Marvel Big Three off, they have to have Tony likable to the general public again. I still see so many people who are cheerign at Tony torture.

Sidetracking a bit, doesn't Daredevil usually have an pretty bad life as well? I heard somewhere NOTHING happy happens to him for long either, but I don't know for sure.

Deadpool is fascinating. And god, I feel so bad for Wade. But this Deadpool mania has really pissed me off. I hate that they've rewritten bits of his history too. The Weapon X thing and everything was perfect the way it was. I hate that they screwed with that. And god. The Cable writer makes me so mad, treating Cable&Deadpool's relationship the way he did. The older Deadpool stuff is just so utterly fantastic~~

There was a point, apparently, where Marvel tried to decide whether or not to make Tony a cokehead. They decided to leave him an alcoholic. And yeah, the cheering of the Tony torture is making me twitch. There is a large amount of Tony hate on the net, and it worries me. :| Marvel needs to give the poor boy a break.

As for Daredevil.... I have no idea. I have a passing idea who he is.........from the movie with Colin Farrell. Mm.... Crazy Irishman.

Yeah I was surprised that Deadpool I think has 3 comic book lines of his own. But I'll have to make sure to check out some of the older books then.

I didn't know about the possible drug use for Tony, and at least now he got over his alcoholism. Well on the up-side the one comic line(aside from Marvel Adventures) that they didn't torture Tony and he actually gets a break is in Ironman Noir. It's a shame that it's only 4 issues long, but *_* It's fun and brilliant and yeah! In essense it's Indiana-Tony!...hmm I should think about posting some pics. Tony fights Nazis XD

I never saw the movie, but I know Daredevil can go off the deep end a lot! From what I understand...you thought Tony's methods in Civil War was harsh...Matt can get to extremes too. I know one time he beat the Kingpin to a bloody pulp and names himself the new Kingpin. Currently in cannon, there is the story of the Shadowland. It was in response to what Bullseye did (blowing up an apartment complex and killing a bunch of people).

Essentially, Matt has an army of ninjas called the Hand and is vigil-anting Hell's Kitchen to the extreme where you break the law you get beat up by ninjas or taken prisoner. Matt is now thinking of expanding his territory to pretty much all of Manhattan, so intervention time by Luke Cage, Ironfist, Spiderman and others...

:| Actually, I'm one of those fans who looked at Tony's actions and thought them completely logical. Steve, on the hand, was like...so out of left field I have no idea. But I'm not getting into that. Because, frankly, I just don't care anymore.

Daredevil sounds like a comic I should be reading. I read the Authority up until the massive ridiculous bullshit crossover. And aside from Millar's run, I loved it. XD And considering the book I'm writing is mostly focused on a guy who the world has hated and tried to kill so many times and he tries to be a hero all the same....and then he kind of just says fuck it and makes Jason Todd look like a Saint. :D I like the ones with MEAT on their character. *has been hiding in the DCU with the Batfamily for a while*

But yeah. Let's see, for Deadpool, all 50 issues of Cable&Deadpool are a must. The last couple when Cable fucks off and leaves it to DP with weird crossovers with other people aren't really important, past DP's team up with the Mighty Avengers and a reallyreally sweet moment with C&DP. But other than that.... his original 97 run is awesome. I only got through 40-ish issues (not including annuals, which I read as well) before I got distracted by something shiny (*coughNightwingcough*) but I loved it all. Blind Al and Weasel. There's an awesome issue where DP goes back in time...in a classic Spidey comic. Done in classic art. It's awesome.

Annnd let's see. There's Wade Wilson's War, Deadpool, Deadpool teamup, Lady Deadpool, Deadpool Corps, Deadpool Pulp, and I think Merc with a Mouth is still going. He has more comics than the goddamned X-Men. Or Avengers. maybe the both of them put together. I got fed up and stopped collecting. I nabbed Deadpool Origins, because I did like the mention of his family, and it...god. It was the first Deadpool comic I'd read that I'd actually enjoyed in a VERY long time. I should go back and reread early Deadpool. Its like Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, only not. :D

I was actually about to start bothering people for Deadpool recomended reading. From the bits of him I've seen in fiction and Wolverine Origins I thought he was neat but since I finally buckled down and started playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance I've fallen in love with him and his smart mouth! I want to know more about him so thanx for the list of good places to start.

Also, hugs for a fellow Bat lover! I haven't picked up a Batman Issue in a long time but I grew up with all of the oldschool from my granda who had major man-crushes on Bruce and Superman. You wouldn't happen to be able to message me any good recent Bat runs would you? Now that I'm back to date with the Avengers I've been wanting to get up to spead on what the Batfamily is up to as well.

Regarding Daredevil: pretty much all of his girlfriends die. Although sometimes they leave him. I don't have a thorough knowledge of his canon, but my best friend talks about him often, and from what I can tell, his life is pretty shitty.

Oh and I believe I do recall his wife [tries to remember] ugh...what's her name. Something with an M...Milla? Anyways, yes I know she goes insane because of the whole Daredevil thing. I'm not too keen with the details, but I think she accidentally kills someone (she's also blind). So yeah...I think Matt can give Tony and Deadpool a run for crappiest life.

Oh, yeah, right, Milla. I think the only one who didn't die or go crazy (and then die) was Natasha. And she left him. Also Bullseye kills his mom...? I think I remember this correctly. In any case, his life definitely sucks.

You know, I keep imagining the conversation Steve and Tony are going to have after all this is over.

Tony: Wait, let me get this straight. We both get sucked into a rainbow swirly thing. We both en up someplace weird. We both make the mistaken assumption that the locals might be friendly to Thor.

Steve: Right.

Tony: Then you get to make out with a hot psychic chick, and I get tortured by trolls.

Steve:...

Tony: This is so unfair! How come you get the girl and I get the hot pokers?

Steve: *coughkarmacough*

Tony: Did you say something?

Steve: Who, me? No.

Oh, and Steve - do you even go here?

This made me LOL so hard.

...Tony gets beaten while Steve gets the girl. Oh yay. *facepalm* If Tony wasn't half-naked, sweating and bound, I would look away. (Thank you, Alan Davis. Shirtless, slightly fuzzy Tony? Unf. ...No, I don't just read comics for the eye candy!)

~~(Control your urges, Steve. You got your trigger-happy girlfriend and that weird relationship of yours waiting for you at home)~~

Great issue. The ending was a shocker (Hela's headpiece looks like really weird sideburns). o_o Never expected that. Can't wait for the next issue, but I guess I have to.

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Thanx for the DP Recs

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