Question about canon?

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This has been bugging me for a while now. In canon, Steve and Tony (and the Avengers) have lived through so many alternate universes in canon, how much of them do they actually remember?

I understand, that sometime over the years, it was canon that Steve Rogers was brainwashed by the government with a fake past to resist interrogation, so his memory of his actual past was spotty and unreliable at best. Is that still true? In that, is the canon that the government brainwashed him still true? And if it is, then does he have his whole memory of his childhood back? [Also where exactly is this storyline? I don't have much time but maybe it can go onto my reading list? O_O?)

We know that Tony definitely remembers the existence of teen!Tony (dammit Fraction! D:) But does he remember details of being teen!Tony? Or teen!Tony's life/childhood before he got pulled into the wacky shenanigans of Earth-616? 

Then with Heroes Reborn? Does anyone (and is yes, who?) remember their 'normal' life there? This was where Steve was married with a kid, is that right? The art was fugly but think of the potential for awesome angst (and awesome DOOM!) if Tony actually remembers the Knights of the Atomic Round Table (and Rebel!! <3). And his genuine bastardy (rage blackouts FTW?!) It would mean that Doom and Tony actually remember being university friends!!! Added drama! :D Also, angst for Steve what with the 'normal life'... ;__;

House of M? This I know, Tony and the Avengers who fought in it, do remember the event (Maria Hill getting that info out of Spider-Man). But does Steve remember anything? Cause that's another 'normal life' scenario for him, right there.

Help?

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[terra]

The Heroes Reborn reality is remembered if the writers need people to remember it. It was covered in one of the back-ups from Captain America recently:



I assume with Tony it's the same way. Doesn't remember much, but does remember something. IIRC, Hawkeye remembered in the pages of Thunderbolts, but then HR Hawkeye was later revealed to be Wolverine all along!! Oh, and Steve wasn't really married with a kid, he was just brainwashed into thinking he had a kid and they were all Life Model Decoys?? Liefeld...

[fictivore.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the scan and the info! I haven't read much Rikki but I absolutely love the whole idea of her! I just wish she was more integrated into Cap's 'family'... Though, where is this scan from? It looks really interesting... :)

Oh, comics! Wolverine is pretending to be Hawkeye and NOBOBODY notices?! And oops! I'd heard about the LMDs but I never connected that the fake LMD family and the alt-universe family was the same! o_O; Poor Steve! D:

[terra]

It is from Captain America 609 I think. From issue 602-615, Rikki had an eight-page back-up feature. There was one arc dealing with her relationship with Steve, this is from that.

Originally Heroes Reborn Hawkeye was Clint, then Loeb later retconned it to Wolverine several years after the fact.