cap_ironman | Cap and Iron Man Sequel Movie Speculation Post!

So the Avengers might be the next movie to be out in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (and maaaaan! I am so eager for it) but Iron Man #3 and Captain America #2 have already been set in stone as sure things.

As of now, all we know is that Iron Man #3 is almost certainly going to have the Mandarin as a villain (but then they've been setting him up since way back in Movie #1 with the Ten Rings terrorist outfit) and that Captain America #2 is going to be set in present day with WWII flashbacks only.

But what are you looking forward to seeing in these movies? Any characters you want to see or certain specific story-lines you have in mind? Obviously nothing we discuss is going to have much of an effect on what actually happens, of course, but I thing it's a fun thing to discuss!

+ Iron Man #3

>> Firstly of course, the Mandarin, but the Mandarin as the Knaupfs re-invented him for the DoS run - a ultra-smart businessman, calm instead of prone to fly into rages. Someone who is a concrete threat to Tony.

>> Secondly of course there needs to be an upgrade to Tony's armor. The second movie gave us the Armor-inna-Suitcase so (un)fortunately the only step forward to go, in a way that makes cinematic difference is the Extremis Armor. I really don't want Fraction's 'Bleeding-Edge' crap (it literally makes his invincible if used intelligently and while Fraction may not be smart enough to use it to the full potential, Tony certainly is... Yes, I'm aware that this is a very silly sentence. I will still stick to it. Like glue. :P) just the original Extremis. This means a mild healing factor (only plot related) and the whole internet-in-his-head shtick.

>> Extremis is awesome because this plot-line not only gives us the 'new armor' part for Iron Man Essentials, but also the third thing, the 'Real Villain' aka Tony's issues. After all RDJ might be really really hot, but a young flower he is not. Tony himself is supposed to be something like approaching (or having crossed) 40 in the movie. Perfect time for a bit of a mid-life crisis. Tadah! Extremis!

>> Of course, the Extremis would be a good way to bring in Maya Hansen, again possibly in a mish-mash of the DoS storyline with Maya unknowingly (or knowingly) working with the Mandarin.

+ Captain America #2

>> Well, my first thing is what I don't want. I don't want Winter Soldier in Movie #2. Which is not to say I don't want it, I just want it to be left for the inevitable Movie #3. The whole shock of Bucky coming back etc. is felt much more keenly when there has been time to reflect on his loss. Again not to say, I want the movie to be lacking Bucky. Since the movie is supposed to have quite a few flashbacks, I'm hoping they'll use the flashbacks to build more of a rapport between Steve and Bucky (something sorely missing in Movie #1) and Steve angsting all over about Bucky and Peggy, but no Winter Soldier just yet.

>> Sam Wilson aka The Falcon. TOTALLY want this partnership, although I will scream if Sam Wilson-was-a-thug is used instead of social worker. And of course Sharon. It seems the Agent in his room at the end was Sharon and also that the writers are well aware how inherently creepy Steve/Sharon is on the heels of Steve/Peggy,, so hopefully a better take on it than comics (and Brubaker) managed.

>> Villain could be the Red Skull Returned! or Baron Zemo leading the Hydra. I like both ideas. But I don't really have any ideas with iconic Cap storylines. Hmm...

What are your thoughts?! Agree / Disagree, Storylines you wanna see? (Wow, that almost kind of rhymes.. XP)

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Sorry. I don't think I was being as clear as I wanted. Comics are comics and the films are the films. In the IM films, there are few if any non-US heroes (depending on how you count Natasha). The comics can be completely liberal and representative (and I hope you agree that they are not), and it still doesn't make the films any better in those areas.

I mean that if all the heroes are white, and the only time we see non US brown people they're villains that says something (I would say that IM1 handled race issues badly all around, including the problems you mentioned). I don't think that Jimmy Woo has to fight Mandarin but there is no Jimmy Woo or any other Asian hero who doesn't bite it after fifteen minutes of screen time, then no, perhaps they shouldn't have Asian villains. I'd be okay with Tony fighting Mandarin and Jimmy Woo fighting the Green Goblin or whatever, but with an all American, mostly white cast, I'd really prefer that they lay off the foreign people of colour as a source of villainy.

I would say the franchise has a duty to make an entertaining film. Obviously they should pull from the comics where they can, but if it's full of American xenophobia, racism and unfortunate implications, I, for one, am not going to be entertained.

Ah, sorry for the late response, I almost completely missed your comment!

Of course, different people want different things from their entertainment. I personally follow American films / comics because they satisfy my craving for SFF, not something my local media output does very well. I like the Mandarin and the story-lines he embodies, and I admit, that might not be true of everyone.

When I'm watching Iron Man, I'm not really watching it to see Asian heroes on the screen. I'm looking forward to see what comes of the proposed Daughters of the Dragon and Heroes for Hire (making Danny half Kun-Lun'ian(?!) could be pretty awesome) thingie, and the planned Shang-Chi movie, (no Brown Guys still, though :/) but till then a competent and charismatic Mandarin is also fine with me.

Thanks for engaging. :) This really went everywhere. :/

I don't expect Asian heroes in an Iron Man film (though there's no reason there couldn't be Asian secondary characters, or for that matter Tony himself could very plausibly be East or South Asian). Which is why I'm saying it's a problem for me that the would make the villains Asian (as they already have once). It reinforces negative stereotypes, and is not, I find, especially interesting. I realise in the movies everything has been done before, but if they're going to pick something unoriginal, I'd rather it wasn't as strongly Yellow Peril.

I would love to see those other shows or films. I'm not holding my breath though. Until then, I'd prefer that the main franchise not get any worse about race than it already is.

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