Hickmanvengers finale

[laireshi]

I do think we need a discussion post.

I need some time to process, but I'm gonna comment later. With spoilers, obviously, I think we can just say that now and skip cuts in comments?

Comments

[woadin.livejournal.com]

DeLurking to jump in...

Being left hanging is mostly what bothered me. After 2+ years, ending the run on To Be Continued seems...hollow. And the explanation of what was going on in New Avengers seemed more info dump than grand reveal.

I am also hoping Hickman addresses action vs inaction. I have never been a fan of Namor, but when he split from the Illuminati, I felt like he was the only character who had conviction in what they were doing.

And while I'm hopeful for more closure in Secret Wars, I am worried about economy of space. (Big event, bigger explosion quota, fewer valuable panels for talking.)

Complaints aside, it was nice to have so much back and forth between Steve and Tony. The "You and I...we are finished!" line is rife for angsty contextual meddling. And I liked the diner scene. I love how Tony meeting up with (and even ordering for) Steve echoes back to the Civil War (imho) where he's confident he knows what's best and can talk Steve into his vision. Inversion or no, he is making the same mistakes all over again.

Also, Hickman totally pulled one over on me -- on that last panel with Tony asking Steve to wait. /angry fist. Curse you for making me believe, Hickman.

[teyke.livejournal.com]

Oh, man, Namor. Yeah, that was a really epic turning-point issue! Conviction is the right word for it - but then, I think the others were shown doubting, more, from the beginning. A few months later and therefore more reflection on the issue, though, I do find that I would have liked to see a bit more variation in their responses, rather than all of them building and then at the final moment saying 'no', except for one. (Yes, we have Steve dissenting, but as he was never going to be one of the solution-providers - he's not a scientist like the others - that's a bit different.) However, it was still a very powerful moment.

I guess my fear with the lack of address to inaction/action is that... I feel like it should have been addressed already, and it hasn't been. That, and with, yes, the big event has less room. So I'm kinda thinking it won't really be addressed or engaged with more.

The back and forth between Steve and Tony was very good, yes :D and I liked the diner scene, too! Actually, my main complaint with this issue would be that the diner scene was too short, heh. Captain Universe accused Tony of lying, and then... what happened? Why did Steve believe her right away? Or was he already thinking that Tony was lying when he asked if they could fix it and Tony said they could? What happened after Captain Universe blew them through a wall?

I know, I know, this is the thing fanfic and fixits are made of...

(Also, yes, that 'Wait, wait...' was just cruel.)