Hickmanvengers finale

[laireshi]

I do think we need a discussion post.

I need some time to process, but I'm gonna comment later. With spoilers, obviously, I think we can just say that now and skip cuts in comments?

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the action vs. inaction dynamic! And similarly, ends vs. means, which is a recurring theme between Tony and Steve. Having finally calmed down a bit and flicked through 3 years worth of issues, I remember at some point believing this was the main issue being dealt with. I didn't really expect a full resolution in terms of which side ultimately "wins". It would've been great if any of this was addressed.

With the current insight into the existence of Secret Wars and Battleworld, it really dilutes the set up of the incursion events for me. In a way, it was an excellent plot point to use to address the morality issues you framed. The stakes are as high as you can ever get, and thus the actions one can take are as extreme as you'll probably ever see. The issue where Namor actually blows up the planet with a bomb they all built? Yea that seemed like the turning point. It was the perfect time to have the Illuminati address what they were doing, having actually had to press the button while being in a mostly rational state and not physically fighting for their lives over the button. My hopes were still high at the point. (I really did believe the incursions would be resolved, as did pretty much everyone I think? Without knowing about pizzaworld. Seriously, Rogue Planet. Was that not actually supposed to be an extremely heavy handed hint at how the universes can co-exist without imploding via collision?? That was the weirdest issue released, as in, it just was very out of place. Turns out it had a use, just not as prominent as I thought.)

And you're right. Steve was extremely hard to sympathize with after this final issue with the saving vs. not saving people debate. It seems so profoundly hypocritical I don't know if that was supposed be Hickman addressing the morality issue obliquely or not. But then he's very focused on Steve's decisions and is he actually trying to frame Steve as the irrational immovable tree amidst a river of rationality? It feels like it's setting up his character for something (and we know Marvel loves setting characters up for big events *cough*).

I'm gonna bask in 1872 when it comes out and hope it's as cheesy as it looks.

-Coaster

[teyke.livejournal.com]

I was going to reply to a point here, but I think I mostly already combined that with my reply to woadin above, oops. But mostly I was nodding my head reading along through your post, anyway :P

I am really looking forward to 1872. Is that going to be part of the pizzaverse? I think I would have to live in permament denial if the entire Marvel Multiverse was really gone. I mean, we know it's not entirely gone. Franklin or someone says that out of infinite universes now there are only two, but from the outside we can see that this is not true - there's EMH and AA and the MCU. But I'm willing to buy that Franklin, for all his future god-like tech or powers or whatever, can't see to the end of infinity, so. Somewhere out there, there are more universes, continuing to stretch on into infinity, and I'm just going to choose to believe that there's one that is almost-but-not-exactly like 616, and 3490, and all the others that I love...