ext_16712 ([identity profile] johanirae.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] cap_ironman2008-09-29 10:34 pm

Tony: "Must. Save. Steve"

Hiya folks!

Was wondering about something the other day (for a fic I'm making abd because wondering makes me stop thinking about the, ya know, Civil War)...

I read in a couple of fics and stuff saying Tony often sacrifices himself to save Steve. The one comic canon incident I remember is when



electrocuted himself to stop his armour from crushing Cap.


It's really one of the most defining characteristics I can think of Tony, that he both thinks so high of Steve and so little of himself that the idea of sacrificing himself for Steve is no big deal.

Was wondering if there was any other such times for Tony? And any thoughts? :-)

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also Red Zone, when he exposes himself to the toxin in order to give Steve mouth-to-mouth to keep Steve alive. In that set of panels, he specifically says, "Sorry, Tony...but Captain America's more important than you..."

(#3 on the slashy moments list (http://community.livejournal.com/cap_ironman/21623.html), if you want scans. *g*)

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-09-30 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
There's a much lesser known similar scene in New Avengers #18 that I didn't mention before because it's Tony saving all the Avengers, not Steve specifically. But it sticks out in my mind anyway because the Avengers are facing an immensely powerful being and Tony sends them away so they won't get hurt and takes it on all by himself. O.o I mean, if he was sending away civilians, or young or low powered heroes, I would get it. But he sends away the rest of the Avengers!

The dialogue:

Iron Man: "Avengers, change of plans! All of you get out of here."

Cap: "And what are you going to do, Iron Man?"

Iron Man: "I don't exactly know, Cap. We've never faced anything as indefinable as this before. But I'd rather you guys were around to tell people nice stories about me after I'm gone than, you know, not."

[identity profile] jynx.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
i am STILL looking for the entire arc. i want to read the whole thiiiiiiiiiing~

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-09-30 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Psst. Check your e-mail. I can help. :-D

[identity profile] jynx.livejournal.com 2008-09-30 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
;; I love all of you! *goes to bliss out on Cap and Iron Man goodness*

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, does this count (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j144/crimsonquills/slashymoments/00058t31.jpg)? It's not a specifically planned sacrifice of his own life, but still...

[identity profile] pandanoai.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
MODOK... lol--- that ENTIRE Annual was a slash fic. They bicker like an old married couple and both get lei-ed. (by semi-naked golden people)

I love comics. <3

[identity profile] pandanoai.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There was also the time in The Red Zone where Tony takes off his helmet and gives Steve CPR, exposing himself to the virus Steve had been exposed to. He says something like "Sorry Tony, Captain America is more important then you." And doesn't think twice about sacrificing himself for Steve.

There's also when Tony is trying to save Steve when the Super Solider Serum isn't working anymore and Steve is paralyzed. Tony saves him on the astral plane.

After... something... Tony being mind controlled? Again? He sacrifices himself to stop the big evil. He dies and Cap holds him in his arms. (I only skimmed 90s comics-- i was so very afraid)

That's all i could think of for right now :D

[identity profile] pandanoai.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, pretty much.

Here's a scan (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j144/crimsonquills/slashymoments/CaptainAmerica437-FightingChanceEpi.jpg) (you can find it on the slashy list that Crim's talked about too... cuz come on! Tony saving Steve! How could that NOT make it on the list.)

[identity profile] jynx.livejournal.com 2008-09-29 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
they like the romance cover holding poses. The new "What If" (Iron Man died, not Cap) is ALL romance. The Gone With The Wind scene was Steve saving Tony, but still. I mean, really, so very married~

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-09-30 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
BTW, do you need/want a little background on #3 in panda's comment? Because the actual storyline is made of fail and you shouldn't have to suffer through it if you (a) haven't already or (b) aren't a completist. *g*
ymfaery: (crantz:  seal)

[personal profile] ymfaery 2008-09-30 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I know I wouldn't mind some background. ;D

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-10-02 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The short version:

#3 in panda's comment is the aftermath of the whole The Crossing mess. (Which either leads into or comes out the Heroes Reborn awfulness, I can't remember which.) Tony has been mind controlled by a bad guy into murdering some people and bringing on a big horrible doom. Right at the end he breaks free of the mind control and figures out that he can stop the big evil if he sacrifices his own life. When he suggests this, all the other heroes more or less go, "Okay, you do that" and Cap, despite the terrible things Tony did under the mind control, is all, "No! Tony!" Of course, Tony does it anyway, and dies cradled in Cap's arms.

It's #44 on the slashy moments list, in case you didn't find it there already. *grins*
ymfaery: (shigure watching)

[personal profile] ymfaery 2008-10-02 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. I know I read it, but I'm not sure the scan link(s) was working at the time since I don't recall them. And wow, Vision looks like either a bodybuilder or he took some of Cap's Super Soldier serum. O_o;;

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-10-02 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
And wow, Vision looks like either a bodybuilder or he took some of Cap's Super Soldier serum. O_o;;

Scarily, pretty much everyone male looks like that in 90's comics. It was the era of Liefeld, after all.
ymfaery: (ADVWP:  Viento)

[personal profile] ymfaery 2008-10-02 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ew, Liefeld. I wondered if that was his style. :P

[identity profile] crimsonquills.livejournal.com 2008-10-02 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. I don't think this specific issue was drawn by Liefeld (I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so), but sadly the entire era in comics art was heavily influenced by it.

[identity profile] cat-13145.livejournal.com 2008-11-21 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also giving himself a heart attack in The Excute Program run (latest series 12), to stop his controlled armour from crushing Cap's skull. there was 37 minutes before they could start his heart again