Question

[ani-bester.livejournal.com]

Ok so long story short, I and ellyr_in_ink were looking up the invaders and in the wiki article on them down at the bottom there was this info about the current 2008-2009 series:

Basically we are both now going WTF and wondering if anyone as more into on the invaders series because -


According to Ross, who will be doing covers and design work for the series, it is a series that will return the young WW2 Captain America (Steve Rogers) to modern continuity, along with the other four original Invaders created in 1940s: Human Torch, Toro, Bucky, and Namor.

Wha? We had thought Time Traveling Steve was temporary. Is he staying? Does that mean this is how they are bringing Steve back and he and Tony will have to start all over from scratch. We are currently very very confused. Help?


In conclusion, should we be buying this?

Comments

[skyearth85.livejournal.com]

Well, I found the issues in the web (I'm italian, so the mini would come here in a year or two).
And... they are very confusing, and I suspect that they are from not!616-verse, because I could not see how they could put them in the current main-verse.
Because Bucky and Namor are still present in the main-verse (in fact...)

[dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com]

Well, there is Tony angsting over Steve when Steve is tied with metal tentacles, so um, IDK?

Anyway, last week #6 came out and we're at half the series, and I still don't understand where they are going with it, or if where it is in the current continuity. But while Tony is all for mantaining the time-continuum and sending the Invaders back where they come from, I fear Cap!Bucky is going to screw up things and possibly change history.

Also, everybody seems to beat Tony up. Except Steve. To whom Tony apologizes in two panels full of emo! (If you're interested, I made a recap (http://dorcas-gustine.livejournal.com/94367.html#cutid1)). And Steve understands. Sort of.

(There's also some Torch&Toro angst in the middle. And Invaders!Bucky is a crazy teenager with a machine gun, but we knew that already!)

The art is pretty and it has the potential of being really good, so I'd say yes to the buying.

[jynx.livejournal.com]

A/I mad emy friend whine at me for Torch/Toro smut fic. >> I kinda wrote smut, as in fire has sex with fire? I love the series in general, but I'm wary for more of the fic requests >D

[jwaneeta.livejournal.com]

I love your recap! (And I know this is a bit random, but your lettering is lovely :)

As to the whole... Invaders... thing... I'm still completely baffled. I hadn't even heard about it until today.

I'm actually just waiting on the trade.

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

From what I've gathered, it's like Savage Land territory, so I guess it won't really be an imprint on the 616 universe, not like Secret Invasion anyway. Speaking of which, is that crossover done yet?

Crimney.

Re: I'm actually just waiting on the trade.

[jynx.livejournal.com]

mm, nope. they're in NYC and its really 616 them. and it's on issue 6 of 12.

WTF?

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Right, am waiting on trade if I can. I really can't afford to spend any more money on comics right now.

Re: WTF?

[jynx.livejournal.com]

>D i can send you what i've got right now? its only 6 issues

Please!

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

Dude, I've get to get your DSD reader for the torrents? It's not even in my spam! Can you send it again?

[jynx.livejournal.com]

Its Avengers/Invaders. Its 6 issues into a 12 issue run. I have no idea if it's going to be permanent, but they're trying to send them home for the sake of the time/space continuum. The Cosmic Cube brought them forward so.... but its definitely worth picking up.

[smilingskull.livejournal.com]

I am super confused about all of that, especially since past!Steve showed up in Burbaker's Captain America run (issue 42, he helped save Sharon from getting herself blown up) and then just ran off at the end of the issue while angsting. If I remember correctly, we never really found out what happened to him, so he could still be out there.

Whaaatttt?!

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I am super confused about all of that, especially since past!Steve showed up in Burbaker's Captain America run (issue 42, he helped save Sharon from getting herself blown up) and then just ran off at the end of the issue while angsting.

Say what, now?

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot?

[melisus.livejournal.com]

I don't think they'd use WWII!Steve as their way of bringing him back. After all, it's a different set of writers, isn't it? (Please tell me it is!) And Brubaker really seems to be focusing in fleshing out Bucky as the new Captain America. So it won't be a while until we see Steve really come back (now, when it gets time for the Captain America movie to be released, then we need to start worrying/wondering).

WWII!Steve could have some PART in bringing present!Steve back... after all, there was that whole business with taking AU!Tony's heart for 616-Tony or something complicated like that.

Anyways, time traveling Steve is most likely just temporary for this mini issue... especially if he has Bucky with him. That would cause A LOT of problems for the current Bucky, who seems to have enough on his plate already.

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

It's a very good series so far. I doubt they're going to keep Steve there though, seeing as it would rip a whole in the space-time continuum [see first arc of Young Avengers for more information on fatal paradoxes]. It's been focusing a lot on how the two Avengers teams are dealing with the problem separately -- with the Mighties trying to keep the Invaders isolated so they don't take any information that might change the future back with them and the News running around and showing Toro his grave. Oh, yes, and Touch has been bounding with the SHIELD LMDs.

I've been enjoying it and I'd really recommend picking it up, whether in issues or in TPB, but I don't think it's going to be the gateway to bringing back real!Steve.

When is the trades coming out?

[jazzypom.livejournal.com]

I tend to lose the floppies when I buy 'em.

Re: When is the trades coming out?

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

I would imagine a month after the run is up, so June-ish 09 is probably your best bet.

Space Time Continum

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

1. I remember in one sci-fi story, which I totally have to look up the title of, a Genius caught his wife cheating with his co-worker. Instead of outright killing them, he travels back in time to kill the ancestors of his wife, and yet, his wife is still there. He goes back and kill various historical figure, and the present is unchange...except, he loses corporeality, at which point he runs into ANOTHER time traveler. He is told that that one can only travel back to one's personal past, and alter one's personal past, and therefore no time traveler can encounter one another until their personal past is completely destroyed. I recall the phrase spaghetti sauce being used.

2. Time Travel in Star Trek...generally accepted fanon(?) especially on the Q side...there are always alternate timelines. One can never prevent something in the past from happening, ONLY, create a new alternative timeline, and move there.


THEREFORE:

The past!Steve that is in 616 right now, is NOT from the past of 616, he's from a similar timeline, except quite possibly, in past!Steve's timeline/universe, there is no future yet! If past!Steve stays in the 616 present, it really shouldn't affect 616's past at all, or the universe of 616 would be different the moment Steve arrives (removing himself from its past).

There is still past!Steve from another universe shouldn't stay here, because one, he's not the Steve that Tony remembers, and two, while it won't hurt 616, it will hurt the universe of this past!Steve, and hey, that universe has its own Tony somewhere in the future if they were to go there.

Additional Note

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

...and because I want to use my Time and Space witch icon

I can't remember which theory it was, but something about if alternate timelines are similar enough, somehow they will eventually merge?

Wasn't there a thing a while back, with Teen!Tony from another universe?

Re: Additional Note

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

The alternate timelines thing has been brought up before if I remember correctly. I think it was with some alien cult that found a part of the Iron Man armor int he distant future and started worshiping it. They brought 616 Tony (who was from a different timeline) to their future to end some holy war that was going on. I'm not sure if Tony remembers it or not...Anyway, alt timeline!Steve is possible.

Oh teen!Tony, the Stark shame. Frankly, I don't know how they managed to not destroy the universe when teen!Tony showed up.

What I was thinking of, though, was what happened in Young Avengers when tiny!Kang didn't go back to his proper place in the timeline, so the entire world began to change. The impression I got from the writing in this series is that something similar was going to happen if the Invaders didn't get put back in place.

Re: Additional Note

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

But really, if bad things is going to happen, it would have already have happen, because the moment the Invaders arrive in the present, they've already left the past, so that the present they arrive in should be different then what we know of!

...and then there are their memories!

...and this is why Time Travel is always crack and Dubious.

Re: Additional Note

[sdroid.livejournal.com]

Ah, but it took a couple issues for it to happen in YA.

For some reason, it always takes a moment for time to realign itself *thinks of Legacy of Kain*