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i'm sorry. i just watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8pqoh11oN4 a half-dozen times. i haven't been able to read civil war. i don't think i ever will. i just can't -- argh -- how could tony -- why, oh why??????

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Which issue has the pictures of Tony falling apart in his penthouse? The one at 1:09 minutes into the video, then the one near the end when he sees the building explodes then throws his helmet into the corner? Is that from Ironman or Avengers comics during the Civil War (true story, I have the comics, have only read them once, I can't reread because it's too painful).

Bwoy, Tony Stark should be at the point of putting a gun to his mouth right now. Between Civil War and World War Hulk (I finally read it... it's better than it sounds) I'm surprised that he hasn't crushed into coal dust as yet.

Tony asked Steve for help three times, and three times Steve denied him, I wonder if someone was reading The Good Book while this was being written.

Hey, I'd never noticed that about the asking for help thing. That's...dreadful, in a poetic way.

I think he's not suicidal because he refuses to be suicidal, but he's pretty damn self-destructive these days. He doesn't indulge in the obvious stuff like the alcoholism anymore, but he sure is an emotionally masochistic SOB, and sometimes it seems like his decisions are calculated to piss people off and drive them away from him. I'd almost like to see him break, honestly, because the tension he's ratcheted himself up to is horrible. But the only person he could rely on to put him back together is dead, so...

Those panels are from Civil War: Frontline #11.

I'd almost like to see him break, honestly, because the tension he's ratcheted himself up to is horrible. But the only person he could rely on to put him back together is dead, so... I heard that. I remember reading Tony Stark's speech in World War Hulk and started to weep for him. It's when he says to the Sentry that sometimes you have to play God when there's millions and billions of lives depending on your choice... and not choosing is still a choice. Not many men can do it... blah blah blah. Man, that's just... man.

I've thought of doing a proper epic on Tony Stark from 2000 up to Civil War, but when I did the outline, it was looking at 100k words. Oh heck.

Those panels are from Civil War: Frontline #11

Crap. I read the frontline torrents, I only have the first trade... so I guess it will be in the second. I guess I'll get it... eventually.

Hey, I'd never noticed that about the asking for help thing. That's...dreadful, in a poetic way.

That's the thing that first jumped out at me, when everyone was all, "Tony Stark is a fascist and a dick!" and I'm like, "Dudes, he was crying to Cap for help. He didn't want to do this. Three times he asked Steve, three times he was denied. All you needed was a rooster to crow! Cotdamn."

Ugh. There is none so blind...

I've thought of doing a proper epic on Tony Stark from 2000 up to Civil War, but when I did the outline, it was looking at 100k words. Oh heck.

Oh heck indeed! That's more commitment than I'd have in me, for sure. :) I'd read it, though!

They've been awful to Tony for ages. I'm about a decade behind the times, still being kind of fascinated by the whole Kang the Conqueror thing back in the mid-90s. I don't think Tony's been the same ever since (well, aside from the dying and being somebody else for a while). I keep thinking about writing something on that.

Like, I even have the theme: Whom the gods choose to destroy they first make mad and I'm sourcing canon CDs, and doing outlines.

But here's the problem: I'm no way no how technologically inclined. I'd have to make nice with engineers, physicists and the odd computer nut for this to make sense. I'd need a beta to literally catch stuff. I'm a fairly disciplined writer, but I think I'd need to make this fic a proper vocation for the next three months... and I'm scared. Hence me not starting it. Despite an outline and an actual theme.

Tony's always been on the edge of the future, seeing the possibilities of what can be done, but he's been walking that fine line in terms of sanity and the rest of it.

Please do it. Pleeease.

Oh, that's good.

I sympathize. Tony's so bleeding-edge that you can get away with a certain amount of making stuff up, but it's hard to find the confidence for that without knowing at least the general underpinnings of the science involved.

Well...not sure how you'd feel about the offer from a total stranger, but I'm good at research, and I'm kind of sitting on top of an academic library here (literally, I work on the top floor). I'm not any kind of expert, but if you ever decide to write this, I could volunteer to field reference questions and compile info on subjects.

I'm really going to have to research as if this stuff is my job. It helps that I'm willing to learn, and am willing to be knocked back if I need to be. It helps that I'm starting from the nineties.

Watch this space.

It may be a little less painful than it seems at first glance. Like I said, a fair amount of the comics-tech is purely imaginary, or at least only speculative.

For example, in real life, nanotech means nothing more than "really small technology." Right now, they're still excited about microscopic caplets that can carry already-existing drugs into the system (you tag 'em with those tracer chemicals they use for X-rays and fill them with chemotherapy drugs, and they can home in on tumors for spot-treatment). The most elaborate robotics application so far is that they figured out how to bond RFID tags to bacteria, and they're not quite sure what to do with that yet.

Those are pretty cool, admittedly, but in the comics you have tiny AI-controlled robots and crud, which are way beyond anything we can even think of doing right now. To flesh that out, it's more useful to look into current sci-fi trends. Sci-fi authors are making it up just as much as you would be, but they do tend to be good at coming up with jargon and ideas you can run with.

I'm surprised Tony hasn't caught on to the idea of itty-bitty remote control nanites that he can command with his brain, though.

Anyway, you can friend me, email me, PM me--whatever works for you.

the Ultimates Tony Stark has stuff to do with nanites, he tried to use it on Banner (it actually worked) until something happened and it didn't anymore.

Sci-fi authors are making it up just as much as you would be, but they do tend to be good at coming up with jargon and ideas you can run with.

That? Is a good idea. I just need to muck on through nineties canon, and then reaquaint myself with the naughties. Oy.

*meddles* *inserts self*

I'm pretty up on Tony's 90s canon, and if there's something I blank on, I have a friend who is a Stark Encylopedia.

I can't offer much with the tech end, but if you want 90s trivia, I'd be delighted to try and help out.

Good good. I might need you. Right now though, I have a slog of reading ahead of me. I need to read 90's canon of The Mighty Avengers, Iron Man and Captain America in order to plot out like, key points of the time line.

After seeing SI #8, I think I owe myself catharsis. If the fic gets too intimate or too hard to read, I might not post it... I don't know.

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