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I think Carol would help, although I don't see how. And strangely enough, Peter. I can see Peter being reluctant but wanting to help deep down. Also, from what we've seen of IIM#8 I think Pepper&Maria Hill would both be on board.

And if Extremis is due to Tony trying to hide/delete the Registration DB, I can see Osborn trying to hunt Tony/Extremis down and get all the information he can.

::notes:: Thanks.

I don't know what you mean by "revive Tony's mind from the Extremis," but Maya Hansen is the expert on Extremis, as well as one of Tony's former lovers. She'd be the natural person to approach if Tony needs help with it.

Edited 2008-12-21 22:34 (UTC)

In the story, Tony intentionally let the Extremis overwrite him and become the dominant personality as a sort of suicide, but Steve's come to the conclusion that Extremis didn't erase Tony entirely, and wants to bring him back. Only, he's admittedly not tech-savvy, so I'm looking for opinions on assistance.

But she'd be dead fascinated by the extremis. Like, really fascinated.

I would think that anyone close to Tony would try -- Rhodey, Pepper, Carol, Reed, and Maria Hill, Peter, and Hank Pym depending on where you're going with this. In terms of who would actually be savvy enough to do it, I would guess Reed, Peter, or Pym, though Pym is apparently on an outs with Tony now. Rhodey might be able to if his tech savvy has gone up now that he's a cyborg, but he didn't seem to be too good at the techs way back when. Oh yes, and Maya, if they'll let her out of the asylum or wherever they tucked her away to.

Right now, the Extremis is offline/fried and Tony can't access it, or use it to operate the armor designed to interact with it. I assume he downloaded the SHRA database into his noggin before this happened. The difficulty now is getting it out, because, well, the Extremis doesn't work anymore.

I think if Steve were around, he'd lend whatever support he could to get that database deleted, because 1)he always opposed it and 2)the theft of the database has made Tony a marked man. However, it's really not Steve's area of expertise. Maya Hansen invented Extremis... but I kinda hope Tony doesn't turn to her, because Maya is shockingly easy to buy or blackmail, and she'd probably sell him out.

With every man's hand against Tony it sure would be nice if Steve came back... Tony's outnumbered and seriously short of friends.

Oh! I get what you're saying... I didn't realize you were referring to your story, I thought you meant canon.

Hm, well, I think maybe Steve would get scientific assistance, from Reed or someone? Maya is the Extremis gal, but Reed is the smartest guy in the world, and a good deal more trustworthy than Maya.

Sorry, sorry. I edited the post to include links for clarification, since I just realized from reading the comments that I didn't phrase that very well. Thanks for the input, though. :D

I'd vote against Maya, as I find her unpleasant and uninteresting, but any of the people the others have mentioned would be good--Reed, Peter, Carol, Pepper, Maria. Even if Peter hates Tony, he still wouldn't turn away from someone in need of help (and besides, it's screwing with Osborne, which is a Good Thing). Simon would help too, I think, if there were anything he could do.

::tallies:: Thanks (and I agree, Peter'd probably be in if he knew there was potential for fucking up Osborne Plans).

Osborn. Not Osborne.

I know, but they've been spelling it Osborne in at least some of the comics, too (the ones I've read, anyway, which mind you are not Spider-Man, so they're not exactly The Authority On The Matter). So now I am mightily confused. Then again, they can't get anybody's eye color right these days, either, or even their hair color half the time, so I suppose I really ought to make a policy of just ignoring them. :p

Marvel needs better proof-readers. Speaking of which,

Dear Marvel,

You remember that scene in Civil War: The Confession where Steve Rogers says, "Son, I'm going to be tried for treason and hung?" Please take note of the following: Things are hung. People are hanged.

(A large and well-built man such as Steve Rogers is probably hung, but that's a whole other thing.)

Sincerely,
A person who speaks English

Normally, I would say Maya but... wasn't she dealing with the Mandarin? No. Just no.

Reed is a very good option and quite possibly still someone Tony trusts. I'd offer Hank Pym but yeah... Let's not go there. Maria and Pepper would be completely on Steve's side due to IM8 and Peter, oh god, Peter, I think maybe he could be of some help if he "wanted" to and if he was, it would be a big help for Steve.

Depending on what you think of Carol, considering I don't think she and Tony interacted at all post-SI, yet... she might be of some service.

She'd be good for tension and a plot point, if you wanted to go that way. Peter is good in that he did see Tony as an authority figure before everything went tits up.

Reed would be good, in the sense that yeah he knows Tony, and despite him being literally a handmaiden to the whole Civil War thing, he's fared pretty well post CW.

Re: Carol, bwoy, she has a lot going on in her own title right now. I know that she and Tony get on, but Carol is more of a soldier/ops specialist rather than a programmer.

What about Echo? Since she's able to literally get stuff done by just mimicking people. She was able to fly the Quinjet by just watching Tony doing it.

This is an interesting question, because all the brilliant men in Marvel aren't really brilliant in terms of computers as a speciality no? I dunno.

I agree with mercy and arbitrary, but I think Thor would be both interesting and slightly twisted! He'd be willing to help Steve, and it could work towards him healing his relationship with Tony.

Post-SI...? No one, not willingly. Reed, post-SI won't at all, mostly because look at him. He was completely there with Tony the entire way, but he's not being held accountable for any of it. REED made the Thor clone, yet Thor is putting all the blame on Tony. (*is borrowing friend's rant about Reed*)

Carol is looking like she and Simon are being Hank's support, so you know that will be zero help there.

Peter, on the other hand, possibly might be the only actual source of help. He seemed during SI to be softening toward Tony and even more so in IIM7. If you're keeping current with IIM, though, Pepper might be a good choice. She can hook up to Extremis. It'll be a lot of comic book hand waving all the same, but she could possibly do it (see latest IIM issue for why I think that)

Maya, while possibly helpful, I believe is out of the question. She sold Tony, for all intents and purposes, to the Mandarin, his greatest enemy. You just don't do that

Carol and Jarvis. (Since we have real Jarvis still alive.)

He is, like for real for real?
Jarvis is not dead?

In canon.
He's not dead or a skrull.

*SQUEE*

He's one of the people that come off the Skrull ship at the end of SI along with Hank.

HAPPINESS!!!!

In my opinion, Maya Hansen's biggest problem is that she's a female character in the Marvel Universe.

She's the genius who invented Extremis. She could have used Extremis to make herself stronger, faster, healthier, even smarter. But to date, all of the Extremis test subjects we've seen are male. Mallen, Stark, Michael White, the unnamed "siblings" in Nebraska: all are male. No female character has reaped the benefits of the Extremis enhancile.

Also, despite her being a genius, she will never be recognized as one of the super-geniuses of the Marvel Universe, who are also all male. It doesn't matter if you're on the side of good (Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Hank Pym) or evil (Doctor Doom, the Mad Thinker); in order to be a super-genius, you need a dick as well as a brain.

Maya will never be in charge of her own decisions. She will always be under some man's thumb, whether it's the Mandarin, Tony Stark, Jack Kooning or someone else.

Who should be approached to solve a problem with Extremis? If Maya Hansen were male, 'he' would always be the first one named.

Frankly, whether I use Maya or not has jack shit to do with her being a chick, and I'm rather insulted that you used my post as a barely-even-related soapbox jumping point.

I apologize. No insult was intended.

There's Doctor Rao! And M!

Lol the only POC genius I could find was Eliot Franklin.

I stopped reading the X-titles ages ago, so I had to look up Doctor Rao and M online. May I say that M has one of the most bizarre bios I've ever seen, even for a Marvel character? The bit about following her evil brother to another dimension and being impersonated by her twin sisters who merged into a single being was weird enough. Then I got to the part where it said, "Monet was enrolled in a private boarding school in the Swiss Alps, where she soon discovered the headmaster was secretly a vampire feeding on students," and I gave up. *g*

I've been going through the character bios on the official Marvel site, searching for characters with an official intelligence rating of 7 (the super-geniuses). Since there doesn't seem to be a way of searching by rating, my hunt has been pretty random. As it turned out, so have the ratings.

Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Doctor Doom, Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, Emma Frost, and T'Challa all have an official intelligence rating of 7. So do Steve Rogers and Thor. (WTF?)
Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, the Terrible Tinkerer, MODOK, Arnim Zola, and Magneto are all sixes.
M, Charles Xavier, the Mad Thinker, and the Wizard are fives.
Janet van Dyne, Doc Samson, and the Red Skull are fours.
Sam Wilson, Bucky, and Wanda are threes.
Eliot Franklin, Madame Hydra, and Moonstone are ones, although that's misleading, since it looks like they haven't been rated at all; one seems to be the default.

Marvel's got problems dealing with gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. This is disappointing but unsurprising, since Marvel comics are artifacts of a civilization that has problems with all those issues.

YEAH those ratings are ridic. I think they're done on an individual bases, not a scaling and comparing of the entire universe (Thor and Steve certainly aren't stupid, let's rate them high!), which kind of defeats the point.

I discovered M through her wiki bio, which fascinated me in a train-wrecky kind of way. Her mutation is perfection? She's got super intelligence, strength, speed, health? She's an EX-MODEL and rich and tragic? Friends have told me she's somehow NOT an annoying Mary Sueish character, though, idk I'd have to see it to believe it lol.

Indeed. I go back and forth on being annoyed and amused. It grows kind of pointed, too, in how Marvel's adopted mutants as their pet discriminated party and then kind of ignore every real life one. GASP HANK MCCOY COULDN'T GET AN AWARD BECAUSE HE IS A MUTANT SO TRAGIC, and yet, the only super talented characters in their universe are overwhelmingly white and male, even today. (But then the super flawed ones tend toward white and male as well)

I could see mutants as, maybe, a blanket attempt to cover all bigotry in a fictional, not too heavy way, if they even bothered to show some sort of diversity in the group but they do not. They've introduced thousands of characters since the universe's conception and you can still count the notable black characters by hand.

I am pleased with their recent attempts though, with high billed characters like Alex from Runaways and Billy from Young Avengers. Hopefully the trend will grow, as these are real, fleshed, interesting characters, not at all tokens. (At least in my opinion, I know some people disagree with Billy)

lol wow this has gone waaaay off topic. I will answer the OP's question since I feel rude now. D:

Maya is #1 in my mind -- which could be a very interesting event if you have Steve ~willing to bust her out of jail perhaps in an illegal way, oh perhaps she refuses to help unless he does?~
Reed #2, this isn't his area but I mean he is Reed Richards and he and Tony are pretty close.
Hank #3, there's anger there but I do believe he would be there in a pinch, and this would be up his biological knowledge alley.

My opinion would be to go with a group in either case, the problem you're presenting is unprecedented, would get people's attention even if they don't care about Tony, and brain storming/group thinking is traditionally how heroes solve these problems.

I personally would shy away from both Pepper and Peter idk they are just really not in this league. Peter is a genius but an out of practice genius and Pepper is very efficient but. yeah.

i am so sorry I have rambled on for five years D:

oh also, also, I really think you should mention Dr. Strange. Magic is something I think they would check out even if it proves to be worthless

why can't i stop talking

Edited 2008-12-22 19:53 (UTC)

Peter, Reed... though I do love Thor more and more every day. Given the most recent canon Non-Skrull Hank screaming "How could you let it happen?" at Tony during *ahem* "someone's" funeral and then Thor hauling Hank away, I'd like to see it be Hank, Thor, and Peter. Something about ex-friends getting back together always makes me happy.

Reed... is a genius, yes, but a bad friend. I understand him keeping his head down because he has a family of his own to look after, but really, when everyone's blaming a friend of yours for something, and you were right there beside him every step of the way, the rules of friendship should make you speak up in his defence.

I agree about Reed, now that you mention it. But isn't he sort of... slow, when it comes to social nuance and responsibilities and stuff like that? I don't really know, that's just kind of the impression I got. Like perhaps he doesn't understand that he's thrown Tony under the bus with the Thor issue? I'd really love it if Reed would speak up about his part in the whole thing.

And yes, as re: Thor. That situation is so sad. It would be great to see Thor either relent, or learn something that exonerates Tony a bit, and they could mend that fence.

All by way of saying if it were a fic question, it would be healing to see Thor do something good for Tony.

Ok since I involved myself in a tangent on this thread perhaps I also best answer your question ^^

First, very much loving the fic second

. . . for me I'd love to see Peter. He's always under-estimated in the genius area and also depending on how you go with this and if you are writing around Brand New Day (or whatever that's called) Steve might know who Peter is given he was dead when the magic went down and it's at least plausible he'd not have been affected.

But I'm baised I adore Peter to little bits and loath Reed ^^;;;

Getting some magic users involved might also be interesting.

Pepper needs to be involved though tech wise I'm not sure what all she could do to help, but she would know Tony better than Peter and might be able to interact better or catalyze some Tony reactions better than Peter could, if that makes any sense.

Wanda. It's insane and unwritable, but I want her back =)

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