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IIM #20-Stark Dissasembled

Hello! I mostly lurk because I'm a little shy, but I've been really enjoying this comm a lot. Besides the great fic/art, there's really smart discussions here. I was wondering what everyone's reactions to the latest Iron Man comic that came out today. This comm seems pretty Tony-friendly and can discuss his flaws without the kneejerk "he's a douche and should die" reactions.

Without going into any spoilers, I was really, really disappointed. I was looking forward to this arc after reading Fraction's interviews (I was mixed on World's Most Wanted) and I thought it would be good for the character but this first issue left me kind of cold. Plus, the thing with Pepper just seemed off to me.

What were your opinions, if you got the issue? Does anyone have some hopes for what this arc will do for Tony's character? What do you hope the Tony/Steve reunion scene will be like (I'm afraid to get my hopes up for that, too)?

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I'll semi buy that on the point of Pep still grieving over her Husband, who Tony killed. It's a fair comment. However, since this is very nearly the first time in the run Happy's even been mentioned, it doesn't ring totally true.

I also feel a bit cheated by the dissembled ad with Thor when it turned out that Don was 100% fine with bringing Tony back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that Pepper asked Tony to cut the life support, because she couldn't do it. And then they hooked up during World's Most Wanted. And now Pepper's suddenly angsting over Hap again. It makes no sense.

Oh, she totally did. But that doesn't mean she was totally okay with it. She went out west for a long time after that. Until this run started, and they were suddenly all OTP.

It fits in with older canon a little better, but he's certainly not staying consistent with himself.

Ptui on the whole thing. Maybe if we're lucky, Thor'll go "You're doing WHAT?!" the next time he gets out. After all, he doesn't have to deal with that pesky "first do no harm" business that Don does.

In additional canon killing: Nat asking Hill if Tony was that crazy when she worked for him. It's a cute line, but kind of ignores the part where Nat was on Tony's team when he was the Director of SHIELD, and the bit about Nat having known Tony for twelve years, and slept with him on and off for a lot of that time.

Indeed. Why is Fraction supposedly a good writer, again?

Immortal Ironfist.

Fraction is a great writer. For a narrow range of stories. He excels at genre-bending, and pop culture zaniness. He's not so good at writing a straight up superhero book. IIF was great because he wrote it as a retooled, fanboy-version of chop socky films and 70s kung fu comics. He wants to do something similar with IIM, but he doesn't have the science-imagination chops, or the ability to convey the gravitas an Iron Man book occasionally needs.

Sassy!Maria Hill isn't Hill. Sassy!Natasha Romanov isn't Natasha. Buzzword!Tony Stark isn't Tony. I think Fraction could write a kickass Iron Man mini, but he's not so great for the long haul. His lack of canon knowledge is showing, as is his lack of interest in the supporting characters, (as they have been previously characterized).

Honestly, all the ladies look so much alike in the comic I'm just... confuzzled.

-checks-

She was wearing Nat's costume, anyway. Could have been Irene Merryweather (or pick your Marvel redhead) otherwise.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Gahhh. I'll get back to it after reading Ultimate Avengers. Fun comic, true facts.

A new Ultimate Avengers? :D IS STEVE PRETTY. DOES HE BEAT UP - never mind, I will wait. *sits on hands*

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It's shades of win and awesome, true facts.

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seeend iiiiit.

:D

oh I know! It always takes me a minute or two to figure out if Pepper or Natasha is the one talking. And Maria is just fugly now.

I also feel a bit cheated by the dissembled ad with Thor when it turned out that Don was 100% fine with bringing Tony back.

Like, I don't see it out of turn for Tony to place the conditions that he did (although it's a dick move) but I actually wanted the resentment to choke Blake. That he'd have a struggle between the oath that he took, versus the anger that Tony would presume so much. I think that and Tony's reaction to Pepper has bothered me the most.

cheated by the dissembled ad with Thor

They were definitely dissembling there, yes. :D

I was like, WTF this is FAIL COMPLETELY, after Tony chose Pepper over Madame Masque.

Like, I prefer Steve/Tony, but I could totally see Iron Man and Madame Masque, they have chemistry. Pepper and Tony doesn't, they are protective of each other, and they love each other, but they are just not in love.

Tony/Whitney is so close to being OTP for me. Sigh sigh. Fraction seriously misunderstood the character. Bendis' version was miles better, and I tend to take Bendis' characterizations with a grain of salt.

Tony and Whitney is like, my Wesley/Lilah (Angel) for my Marvel fandom, not exactly healthy, but woooo. I really would have been impressed if Tony chose Whitney and meant it, and the ramification therein (considering he also loves Pepper, just not that way).

With Steve/Tony, I like the ever present h/c factor because Tony always thinks he isn't good enough AND he places Steve on pedestal, sometimes Steve realise it (more so in MA verse), sometimes he don't, he forgets how good Tony is at hiding his injuries, stays too mad at him for his stubbornness, and we have Civil War :(.

Dude, with Whitney and Tony, I don't know who's more messed up, but they both hide insecurity with contempt and sarcasm (especially when with each other)? I do like that scene where she was sitting on him, being mad at him for the brain deletey thing and almost grieving, ah, so much potential (someone needs to write that fic where she fucks him while he's on the floor, to the kink meme!)

The problem with Steve is that he frequently underestimate how self-destructive Tony is, but he's much more protective of Tony than Tony is of himself. With Whitney however, Whitney's foremost concern is probably still at whether or not Tony was with her out of pity, due to her face, and I can so see Whitney hurting Tony a lot over this, and Tony just letting her.

Hmm. Tony and Whitney were actually functional for a while. The problem is that they have too many issues for one relationship, and things fell apart. Not to mention all the complications that arise from them being who they are: him being Iron Man and Tony Stark; her father being a giant nut bag. I think in some what if world, it could have worked out, if they'd both had some time to work their shit out, without all the comic book drama intruding. ;)

Of course, after they broke up, Whitney took a turn for the seriously crazy. Bendis writes her more like classic Whitney, and not hermit!Whitney. idek what Fraction is doing. DDD: That's some seriously old canon he's working from, especially considering that Whitney seems pretty content with and well matched by Parker. So yeah.

You know, there's an interesting story in a Whitney/Tony/Steve triangle.

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That was Natasha?

You're making me read the damn thing again...

I'm not rereading it, I'm not.

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Shall I... send it on?

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soulmates, wtf?

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