I was given permission for this post! I was! I HAVE PROOF. Stating that now~!
This is where I'm going to request a dialogue with you guys. Because I am horribly curious and in serious need of an intelligent discussion. I've got two topics, one that might not quite fit HERE since we're all about Steve and Tony, but it relates to Steve. And Steve is very important to all of us.
PROBLEM TOPIC ONE!
(please, please, PLEASE comment with your opinions. all of them! even if you have no interest in opening your mind to someone else's opinion and thought on the topic)
Civil. War. Oh yes, that was the feeling of the bottom of your stomach dropping down to your shoes. Except, I'm not looking for this to turn into a cry in the corner, call Tony a douche for XYZ or anything like that. I am looking for a well thought discussion on who's fault it is. I am not looking at legal responsibility, but more moral. In a philosophical sense. Who started the war? Who pushed that first domino that caused the rest to fall and for all these nasty events to happen. It can be traced back to that single falling domino, just like World War 2 can be traced back how World War 1 ended and that can be traced back to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. You cannot have one without the other. That's pretty much where I'm coming from. I want it mostly feelings free, but that's not going to happen. So, I want opinions and reasons. Why do you think ... Tony is guilty? Why Steve? I personally think they've got equal blame (yes, equal. 100% equal) because (a) if Tony had told Steve about the SHRA and everything, like he had with Peter, they might have been able to prevent the CW from happening (unless he was under a gag order. Then you know, he couldn't. But ah, then what about Peter~? See? It's sticky! I LOVE IT!) and (b) if Steve hadn't flown off the handle a la Ultimates!Captain American and not 616!Cap, then would the government have put Tony in charge of the SHRA?
See? It's lovely how these things just fall. It's perfect! Now, discuss and let it be wonderful. I will not poke you if you are nothing but hostile. Except maybe to laugh. Because, really. I'm not attacking anyone, I am just asking for a dialogue on the opinions of everyone here. Who do you think knocked that first domino down? Why?
PROBLEM TOPIC TWO!
Steve. Sharon. Sharon was brainwashed. YET we can see them being all sugar and sweet and d'aw. I know that I'm not the only one who sees this as sick and creepy and yet. (I know this cuz I
posted about it in my LJ. And had a lovely discussion.) Also, we don't know that she's completely brainwash free. I mean, c'mon. Villain? Does that to a character? You can't just wipe it away and move on. The seed is there, you have to use it. So, that's part of the topic I want to discuss. Why are Steve and Sharon still together when it's so amazingly disgusting and creepy and on so many levels, possibly a consent issue.
(Credit for at least half of these ideas go to the people on the discussion post in my LJ). And, because I'm getting ideas as I type this - Tony deleted his brain. All memories of at least two years (from between Breakout in New Avg. to the start of the Sentry arc is where I pinpoint Extremis) has been erased. Like Sharon, who was brainwashed and not in her right mind, can we argue (as some fic authors have, actually) that Extremis put Tony in not his right mind? That means that if we hold Tony accountable, that Sharon is too. This one is more a sticky topic than the previous one because this is more ... feeling and opinion centric than fact and opinion centric.
But go! Discuss!! :D Because I want to know. Me and my twisted little mind are interested in justifications and where the blame goes, and also just on the complex problem of Steve-Sharon-Tony and justification.
And yes, this post is so allowed. I was told to make a post, so I did. Let's discuss~