Spoilers For Cap Film

[savemoony.livejournal.com]

March 1, 2010 is the deadline for casting Steve Rogers. According to wired.com:

Johnston expects to name the film’s star within the next couple weeks, drawing from a short list of six actors up for wielding Cap’s shield. “The youngest is 23,” Johnston said. “The oldest is 32. Most of the guys in the war are just kids, 18 or 19, but we want to go a little bit older.”

BigShinyRobot.com has reported that:

According to MY studio guy, the rumors about Chad Michael Murray (One Tree Hill), Ryan McPartlin (Chuck), Jensen Ackles (Supernatural) and other unknowns/television actors reading for Cap are true.

Apparently, when the script came in with World War II sequences (featuring the Invaders), the studio heads decided it was beyond their means to make this movie AND afford A-listers like Brad Pitt and Matt Damon.

Sure sounds like everyone’s high on McPartlin, who evidently just lost out on the Superman role to Brandon Routh.

Folks should take the Big Shiny Robot information with a grain of salt. It actually came out before Johnston's interview. McPartlin is 34; meaning if we take Johnston's comments as The Word Of God, McPartlin is out. Moreover, this is the first confirmation I've seen that's Jensen Ackles read for the role. I'm trying to withhold my SQUEEEEEEE. The three all have contractial obligations with television shows, so regardless of who they cast, they will have to work around their tv schedule. Murray and McPartlin would be easier to write out of their respective shows. Jensen and Jared are in every scene of every episode of Supernatural. Working around Jensen's schedule will be most problematic. But, like my friend in the business says, "if Marvel wants him badly enough, they will make it out."

Now... Now onto script spoilers.

The LA Time's Hero COmplex blog interviewed Joe Johnston. Johnston revealed how Steve Rogers gets his mythic costume:

"The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit. After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He's the only one and they can't make more. So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it."

"So he's up on stage doing songs and dances with chorus girls and he can't wait to get out and really fight. When he does go AWOL, he covers up the suit but then, after a few things happen, he realizes that this uniform allows him to lead. By then, he's become a star in the public mind and a symbol. The guys get behind him because he embodies something special."

There will be more than one costume in the film, too.

In the first USO sequences, the frustrated patriot will be wearing a version that is closer to the classic Jack Kirby-designed costume, but then later as the super-soldier hits the war zone he will be wearing a sturdier, more muted version that he makes himself that is more like battle togs. The stripes across his mid-section, for instance, will be straps, not colored fabric.

"He realizes the value of the uniform symbols but he modifies his suit and adds some armor, it will be closer to the Cpa costume in some of the comics in more recent years . . . this approach, it's the only way we could justify ever seeing him on a screen in tights, with the funny boots and everything. The government essentially puts him up there as a living comic-book character and he rips it off and then reclaims some of its imagery after he recognizes the value of it. We think it's the best way to keep the costume and explain it at the same time."

Steve Rogers never wore tights you asshat.

Johnston confirmed there will be tie ins to Iron Man and Thor, and the modern will have modern day book ends. IGN (and multiple other sources) are reporting the director revealed that The Invaders will "be in the entire second half" of the film. IGN is also reporting that Red Skull will be the Big Bad.

On a happier note, Robert Downey Jr is awesome. Downey Jr recently told SFX Magazine:

"The Avengers" [is] a culmination of the first four years of movies from Marvel Studios. It's the pinnacle, but only if it's done in the smartest and best and most creatively sound way possible. And I'm not saying we can't get there. I'm just saying it would be better to get there and not stay on schedule than to get everyone what they were hoping for in terms of a release date but not do it correctly. And by correctly, I mean my way," laughed Downey.

Comments

[musemachine.livejournal.com]

Achilles is tough to relate to, at least for a modern audience, because he takes the slight to his honor from Agamemnon (hoo, boy, don't even get me started on that man) so, so seriously, seriously enough that he demands the gods turn the tide of the war against the Greeks so he can have his Big Damn Hero moment to assuage his wounded pride. The issue with Patroklos is easier to relate with, I'd agree, who again gives this remote, godlike hero his humanity back. Odysseus is a smooth-talking snake, whom none of the Greeks can trust further than they throw him and betrays his obligation of guest-friendship to Hekabe. Iason married a woman, then abandoned her when a shiny newer model came along, even though Medea sacrificed everything for him. Numerous Greek heroes raped young girls, and the Atreidai are just a general mess.

Sorry for the word vomit. I'm actually writing a thesis on the changed meaning of heroism between Greek legends and modern-day comic books, with a focus on the Dark Age and Modern Age of comics and the Trojan War.

[morgulq.livejournal.com]

I do love the differences between the modern day hero and the ancient model.

Yeah, Odysseus is a prick. Telemachus isn't so bad though, must get it from his mother.

I've always kind of though of the majority of Greek heroes as having severe impulse control problems, they do tend to exhibit the extremes of human behaviour.

I can kind of see where Iason is coming from, I mean, Medea's fine until he gets home and all of a sudden he's being looked down on for having a foreign, barbarian wife. Doesn't mean I agree with him and it certainly doesn't stop me from cheering on her (rather extreme) vengance.

Kephalos...I have no idea what he was thinking, he's one of the ones I totally fail to get. I adore Prokris to a slightly ridiculous degree, though. For a mysogynistic society, they had some awesome heroines.

[musemachine.livejournal.com]

Well, the entire concept of the Greek hero is that of a man who is more than a man - larger than life. They're caricatures of Greek society, intricately connected to the whole concept of hubris and atys. It's a weird mix of morality tale and superhero story.