About the new (Secret Wars) Marvel announcement

[lucre-noin.livejournal.com]

Under cut for Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers spoilers and the next main event (Secret Wars).

I was just wondering if anyone else is worried? Or if this is just a clever way to dismantel the Ultimate universe? (I've never read Ultimate!verse so I am not sure what's going on there).
This is the link of Marvel's announcemente LINK and basically "they are dissolving the Ultimate Universe into the main 616 Marvel continuity. Details are scarce, but so far we know that there is the equivalent of a major continuity alteration underway after the big Secret Wars event. Secret Wars #1 ships in May, while what is presumed to be the last issue of Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man is likely April’s #12"
and

"It’s been the super secret plan of the Marvel staff for more than five years." (So in my hopeful little soul I still hope it's a way to undo Civil War somehow). "“This puts an endcap to decades of stories and starts a new era. When you see the scope of the event and what we’re willing to do [you’ll be amazed][.According to Alonso this isn’t necessarily part of anything to do with the MCU, which is developing its own continuity. “It all starts on the page. We tell our own stories, this is exactly what we’re doing here. You’ll be shocked for this.”"

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[salmastryon.livejournal.com]

I know there are people who are really upset about this and it is understandable. They like the way canon is now and it can be scary/worrying to hear of major changes incoming. Especially with so little information combined with vague description, it is easy to jump to the worse conclusions.

The thing is in my readings of the comics I've discovered there is one consistency and that is that things keeps changing. I remember reading that Secret Wars is suppose to last at least a year. So, there is going to be an end to Battle World (I really doubt they are going to get rid of the multi-verse permanently.) It will be interesting to see where things will go from there. If nothing else it allows for great foder for fanfic.

My one disappointment is that it looks like it is going to be another year before things are resolved between Tony and Steve. Of course with the way things are in New Avengers and Avengers it was a slim hope in the first place. I just hope it doesn't just get swept under the rug like the civil war did and there is some actual resolution

Actually the Civil War is a great example of how things change for a few years then go back. You had Steve dead, Tony as director of SHIELD, Norman Osborne in charge, the avengers as outlaws, and then Siege happened and things slide back towards the status quo again.

So, in the present time things might be distressing, but there is always back issues and fanfiction. I'm adopting a wait and see policy. :)

That being said this announcement isn't really a huge surprise. Much like you said people have been talking about the all Ultimates Universe titles being canceled for awhile. I just think some people didn't fully think through the ramifications of the combination of that, the rumor that popular characters(like Miles) moving over to 616, and the teaser map of Battle World. This just confirms some more details on how that will happen.

They have an interactive map at marvel.com that shows some of the stuff for battleworld. Go to http://marvel.com/comics/events/323/secret_wars_2015 and click on 'Enter Battleworld.'

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

I am very tired of "event changing" massive crossovers. Having the heroes fight each other has become plain boring - and here it is yet again. *sigh* I think I may move out of mainstream superhero comics for a while (it wouldn't be the first time and I've been reading, on and off since 1959.)

Not that I am adverse to cleansing universes and tidying up the large numbers of superfluous worlds and heroes, but you have to do it right. Crisis on Infinite Earths gave rise to some of my all time favourite comic books in the DC universe (Justice League International yay!) However, the results of Infinite Crisis and the New 52 were and are unencouraging.

Furthermore, I don't trust many of the writers currently in Marvel's stable, particularly the movers and shakers. They aren't interested, for the most part, in writing the characters (or situations) as established canon, but in having fun by changing them beyond recognition, and being much fonder of characters they have created themselves and bringing them front and centre no matter how well, or worse, how badly, they have been received.

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

Oh, and the announcement I saw (elsewhere) was far more wide-ranging with much more alarming details about what would happen to all the Marvel universes after 'Secret Wars' finished. I do hope it was wrong.

[lucre-noin.livejournal.com]

I am almost scared... what announcement was that? :(

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

It was a link on my Facebook and has therefore, of course, disappeared somewhere in the depths of my feed. As I said, it may have been a guess, but it suggested that the amalgamation will be much more extensive...

[partytimexelent.livejournal.com]

"I don't trust many of the writers currently in Marvel's stable... They aren't interested, for the most part, in writing the characters (or situations) as established canon, but in having fun by changing them beyond recognition..."

This perfectly sums up how I feel about this whole thing. Usually when Marvel announces a big event (which is quite often nowadays! When are we getting regular stories again?!), you're still given the option to not really participate by reading some of the other stuff other people are writing. There's always someone at Marvel that'll pick a character back up and fix all of the previous author's mischaracterizations. But I don't trust anyone that's currently there. I don't think any of them are really *fans* of the characters they're writing about (looking at you REMENDER) so why should I even bother?

And they didn't even bother fixing anything from their last event! I'm absolutely terrified that they're just going to roll with Superior Iron Man and change Tony's character permanently, which means that the chances of him and Steve becoming best friends again pretty much disappears completely. They're just going to continue to hate/ignore each other because hey, it's edgy and dark and fun and why would someone like Tony have a friend like Steve anyway right? People want MCUTony in the comics! >=/

(Oh and that bit about them not incorporating MCU elements into 616?! Are they kidding? That's complete bullshit.)

A very tiny microscopic part of me still wants to remain hopeful, though. Despite the THOUSANDS OF DISAPPOINTMENTS Marvel has dished out since the civil war, I'm hoping that sometime in the future, real-life Marvel fans will finally take control again, and realize that what made comics great and engaging were the characters and storylines, not the cross-overs and the big events. When will they get to team up again and fight actual super villains? Not any time soon apparently, and that's a fucking shame.

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

(Oh and that bit about them not incorporating MCU elements into 616?! Are they kidding? That's complete bullshit.)

The MCU hasn't stopped them killing/exiling/depowering/revising the history of characters on-going in the comics. I once did a check (for a convention panel) on what was happening in the comics when each MCU film was released and you would be surprised how often a character has been depowered/dead at the same time or just previous to the release of a movie.

Other than that, though, you only have to mention Coulson or the current incarnation of Nick Fury to know they aren't kidding - they are downright lying.

[tammaiya.livejournal.com]

It's not just the writers, either - I don't trust the editors, and that is a major issue when they keep having these massive events spanning the whole 616 universe one after the other (and now not just the 616 universe, either). You get a situation where characterization is inconsistent not just from one run to the next but between titles coming out simultaneously, because each writer just does their own thing without any regard for the character OR for what the other writers are trying to do. So your events are a patchwork mess and no one can figure out what a character's motivations are from one comic or event to the next - this has been a particular issue with Tony since Civil War. I've reached the point where I'm just checking in every so often to see if things have gotten better yet and inevitably I keep being like, "ugh, still screwing the Avengers over for cheap drama" and I check back out. Sigh.

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

Every word a truth.

[(Anonymous)]

Getting rid of the Multiverse.. *sigh* But Marvel, that was one of your selling factor.
Its so disheartening if your favourite Universe is killed off. Stop writing in it is already sad, but basically killing, oh sorry, "merging" it? Urgh. No no no.

It's already sad that because MCU is popular, it lands in the Comicverse, even if it doesn't make any sense in it and makes things worse.
(and I still kinda like MCU.. kinda, with every Movie it starts to get less, I admit. The last Movie and the look to Age of Ultron made me pretty anti-excited, I admit.)

And as someone also sad, events all the time, hardly any breath between that and time to get really good storylines going. Storylines that brings the character further again and solids the friendships that the crossover and big events are destroying.

Maybe the "new" beginning might be good. But seriously, I am a pessimistic person and I think it will just end up in them trying to fix it again. And I hope that means maybe actually having fun with the "awesome" Multiverse instead of only destroying.
Come on Marvel! DC was already stupid in doing it, be better. ..right, I am sorry. Nevermind Marvel. Making the fans happy so they would actually buy the book instead of throwing the fans of with the big stories and events so they don't wanna buy the regular books again and only basically buy the big events to see what you are screwing up now. That will work, I am sure.