cap_ironman | Trailer for upcoming series

With the whole Rhodey (so where's the black girl?) and Stark's dad being alive thing. I'll just consider this 1616 canon, and even then, it's dodgy cannon. But if it gets the children to read the comics, and expands the character to a younger audience, that's good, I guess? I have a fear that the comic book will die out when us older folk do.

I'm rather torn, because there's already going to be a new Avengers cartoon (with Ironman as the leader. LOL! I love Stark, but him leading over Captain America? Hahahahahahahaha.... no), and I really don't want Stark to be over exposed. Another reason why I'm rather stink eye at this cartoon is the whole Mandarin thing, because Mandarin is powerful, and boy! Stark taking him on? No.

But I'm glad that there's some Daddy issues in this cartoon. Stark wouldn't be Stark without said issues, you know?

I can spell, honest.

What is good will go on.

I'm in my early twenties ~~for now~~, and I prefer the original Star Trek over all spin-offs, I adore Bob Dylan, and if I have godchildren or some such I will totally send them stuff like Marvel Adventures for Christmas.

As long as stuff are still being re-run, they won't die, and then there is the fact that geek is a subculture now, there are subcultures, there are geek parents who are friends who watches sci-fi with their children instead of (or in addition to) football. Did American Football die out when the first fans did, even though it's a supposed manly sport with more chest padding than a junior high prom?

I thought making Iron Man the leader of the Avengers was pretty conceivable. I mean, first of all, this is quite blatently made to tie into the film canon and so far things seem to indicate that it will essentially be Tony Stark's team (Fury approached HIM and then Stark sought out Bruce Banner).

Also, in the comics it always seemed to me that Tony was the one pulling the strings anyway. Cap may have been the field leader, but as long as Stark kept signing the cheques, the team was essentially his.

That said, the Iron Man cartoon still sucks.

Thor and Hulk are fighters, and Peter and Hank are full on nerds. Tony is a nerd but he's also a business man, so he knows how to budget and deal with the politicians (pre-Extremis?). Steve is a solider, he's been in a chain of command structure so leading is natural to him, as is following when the other person has the better idea. I love how when the group splits up, Iron Man and Cap always go together, and cooperate equally so well.

From the few scenes I've seen of Wasp, she takes a lot of initiative. In Marvel Adventures, Storm is cast as the seasoned leader. Steve directs them in the field, but Storm directs them off-field and point out areas of improvement in a constructive manner. Hmmm, in fact, Storm seem to lead more than Steve and Tony, who somehow seem younger. This might account for the fluffy atmosphere, things are always fluffier when there is a grown up doing the spotting.

Hmmm, in fact, Storm seem [sic] to lead more than Steve and Tony, who somehow seem younger.

Yeah, what you said. But then, Storm always had that untouchable, regal kickass goddess vibe about her, you know?

things seem to indicate that it will essentially be Tony Stark's team
not to forget that Tony may have some controlling issues and prefers to give orders than to follow them

and with the big movie success, he´s the most popular now and like with those "Wolverine and the X-Men" show....it will take exactly the same way

Commenting just on the title of your post: in no way is this as good as that verse. I was hoping they'd adapt that into a cartoon because it would of been 1000000% better. The only similarity is that they're kids and he has the armor. Similarities end there. Hokeyness begins from there on out.

Similarities end there.
arc reactor/modern breastplate device that keeps him alive?

btw, your icon rocks. Currently I´m trying to figure out what Tony just said there^^

I thought the Ult verse didn't have the arc reactor? Unless I seriously missed something D:

Haha, Happy punches a guy in the face that was insulting Tony, and Tony's like 'tut tut! there'll be none of that ungentlemanly stuff in my factory >:|' Poor Happy is so dejected XD

oops, I thought that you referred in the Similarities end there.
line to he original verse and not specifically to the ultimates. My bad.

Haha, Happy punches a guy in the face that was insulting Tony, and Tony's like 'tut tut! there'll be none of that ungentlemanly stuff in my factory >:|' Poor Happy is so dejected XD
I´ve had my own ideas about this, but apparently canon beat me - this explanation is way more awesome^^

I think because I was reading Ultimates IM before Cards own, and the two didn't really start to jive together until late in the fame.

I don' t like the Tony as kid universe cartoon anyway. But whatever man, let it live.

Stark's dad being alive thing
I read in a summary once that Tony´s parents die...Howard´ll probably be a role model for young Tony (what would my father have done? I miss you, daddy....you promised to always be there for me...why am I suddenly reminded of Simba and Mufasa?)
Also, with Tony screaming at 0:44..he´s going to die

because there's already going to be a new Avengers cartoon
I saw the trailer! I wanted to post it, but I can´t find it anymore on youtube...all I get are those fake movie trailers that are clipped together from already existing Marvel movies -.-

Stark wouldn't be Stark without said issues, you know?
butI think it will probably more issues like in the movie with his das as a role model...and not as a cold guy who sent his "wimp of a son" toa boarding school

Found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh8CljjBCuY

Tony's father actually dies in the first few minutes of the first episode. In the plane crash that kills him, Tony sustains The Wound of Destiny.

Tony's father actually dies in the first few minutes of the first episode. In the plane crash that kills him, Tony sustains The Wound of Destiny.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

Man, man, just man. That just doesn't even... oh Marvel.

Nope. Still does not compute.

Teenage!Tony?! And wtf Mandarin!?

Daddy Stark is "alive"?! Arc reactor?! WTF!?!?

I'm guessing from the way Teen!Tony is screaming DAAaaaaAAAd! in the first part that Daddy Stark isn't around for very long?

Dude, cold parents who raised you aloof who then died to leave you their corporate responsibilities, will produce a much different result then warm parents that love you dearly who then died.

#1 Produces Tony Stark, who have control and trust issues because he never got the healthy loving example, while being a serial monogamist because he craves what he didn't get.

#2 Produces Batman, who grew up PTSD, who has issues because the people he loves who loves him back will be killed ('because he couldn't protect them'.

Daddy Stark is "alive"?!
With the "DAAAAAAAAAAAAD" scream from 0:44....the "my dad always wantED"....and that I read that Tony´s parents are both dead.....Howard´ll die so that Tony can have his daddy-issues

Arc reactor?! WTF!?!?
I may be mistaken, but they sneakily wrote the reactor even in the MA verse. In the "date" issue (I believe it was 28) you can see it under Tony´s shirt and I´m positively sure that it hadn´t been there when the series started. Sadly I don´t have prove here in form of a shirtless Tony I can show you, but he was not equipped with an reactor at first.
It´s a modern breastplate, much cooler and worked in the movie, so they´re putting it everywhere

You're right about the arc reactor showing up suddenly in the MAverse. It made me so stupidly happy.

Don't judge meeeeeeeee. I just think Tony is better when his health troubles are acknowledged. :D

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They are mixing canon in ways that aren't very cool. And I kind of hate the animation and the reaction times.

This. They are literally misrepresenting the character to new watchers. Like, for me Tony is the man that he is because of what happened to him when he was a young industrialist - and him essentially being raised as he was.

In a sense, I didn't mind the Tony and Howard Stark dynamic in the Orson Scott Card's Ult IM series, because as much as his father was alive, he treated Tony like a grown up from day one, and it's Tony's prodigious intelligence that sets him apart from his peers. Tony doesn't start to even warm up or acknowledge his humanity until he gets a health issue (I don't know how many people follow The Ultimate verse, so I try not to spoil) in his early thirties.

Tony never seemed to have much of a social conscience until then (in most Marvel canon), which makes him a compelling character, because all his good intentions always sends him on some road to hell.

This cartoon... isn't it. Oh well, these cartoons tend to run one season anyway,and die off. Let's hope this one shares the same fate.

I can't help but feel that this is A Bad Idea on Marvel's part.

*cough* cash in from big movie success *cough*

*uses burning cash to light a cigar*

LOL.

Well someone has been reading too much Ultimate Iron Man, me thinks.

No, I kid. The animation is pretty good, and, well, yay for new market, but I'll always be doubtful of teen!clean-shaved!Tony. Because that's just wrong. (And what would Tony be without him sleeping his way through the Marvel universe?!)

but I'll always be doubtful of teen!clean-shaved!Tony
that´s the first (and admittedly most important) bone I´ve had to pick with that. Stark does not exist without his beard....he always goes undercover when he gets rid of it.
Stark= stache/goatee
He loves the beard

I saw the first episode of this - it came with my copy of the movie.

It was unwatchable. Absolutely painful. So bad, in fact, that I turned it off and watched the old school cartoon. It was THAT bad.

I dearly hope the new Avengers cartoon is radically different >

I dearly hope the new Avengers cartoon is radically different
I saw the trailer...at least that looks better! I can´t find it anymore on youtube, but it was really good....except that they drew the armor in a strange way and put a lot of emphasis on Tony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh8CljjBCuY
bad quality

I lasted five minutes into the pilot episode when it aired last week.

Five minutes was all I could take. SO.SO.BAD.

...America, I could've sworn we'd had the talk about attempting to capture the youth market with a generic, badly-made, badly-written, anime knockoff, i.e. that you shouldn't, because it results in...well, among other things, in creating a generic teen hero who has none of the character traits that make Tony Stark memorable. (Characterization: learn you some.) Man, I could do better than this!

Man, I could do better than this
no need for your italic, I´m sure you could do better. In fact I trust every faithful member of our comm to be able to do better than that

I also saw the first episode of this on the Iron Man dvd. This looks like a cold POS.

Kid!Tony just doesn't work for me... he doesn't have enough life experience to make the Iron Man gesture believable if he's just some kid with some toys.

Marvel. X-Men Evolution was horrible. This is also going to be horrible. Stop it!

Stop it!
as long as they´re getting money from innocent kids who don´t know any better?never!

Just try to think of a future when in ten years Bruce Wayne´s parents will be shot after watching the Pokemon movie with him (yes, I stole that from a webcomic...which was awesome), the whole Marvelverse will consist of Wolverine, Spiderman and a couple of unimportant extras
and when someone mentions Captain America they will think of James Barnes with a machine gun (no offense against James...I´m just a Steve fan)

he doesn't have enough life experience to make the Iron Man gesture believable
like being a weaponsmanufacturer, traveling to a war location, nearly dieing by a shrapnel in his heart, company stress, drinking...

I just realized that he´s basically an anime magical girl who balances her new superheroic life with new powers and a flashy transformation sequence with her school life, good grades...and her love life.
Tony Stark is Sailor Moon/Wedding Pech/DoReMi/Pretty Cure/....

I apologize...it´s after 2:30 am here

GHaHAHAHA! No apologies necessary. This made my night. Oh the horrible things that people do for children.

I, for one, will be teaching my (god forbid!) children, nieces and nephews, grandchildren... that Captain America is in fact, Steve Rogers.

That was exactly my point. I like my Stark carrying lots of baggage. He's interesting because of all the stuff he juggles at once. The fact that, as RDJ said, he's just as likely to kill himself as he is to do the right thing. The fact that in most cases, he's his own worst enemy (overstressing himself, drinking, general being pummeledness).

If Marvel wants their Mangirl superhero they should stick to Spider-Man....

...Peter Parker could die and I could never care...

...Peter Parker could die and I could never care...

I like Peter and think that he´s suffering from bad writing, but I agree with everything else you said.

The vulnerability of the "invincible" ironman is what makes him interesting, and they´re going to ignore that in order to prey on little children who will actually believe them

I used to like Peter. I've since changed my mind.

...maybe I just spend too much time roleplaying Tony...

All these "cartoons for the kids" just fuel my dislike for children.

That was exactly my point. I like my Stark carrying lots of baggage. He's interesting because of all the stuff he juggles at once. The fact that, as RDJ said, he's just as likely to kill himself as he is to do the right thing. The fact that in most cases, he's his own worst enemy (overstressing himself, drinking, general being pummeledness).

MOTTOOOOOOO!!!!!

Um... yes?

As in, yes to the point where I can't improve on the comment, or make it any plainer how much I agree with this sentiment.

Hence, motto: favorite saying of a sect or political group [syn: slogan, catchword, ...

I know what a motto is, LOL. I was just confused by the morningness of my checking this comment.

I'm sorry I confused you and made you think I was confused? Did that make sense? ...I need coffee.

Oh, man, I don't know. I try to give new things a chance, I really do, but out of all the old-school Marvel superheroes out there, Iron Man seems like the worst possible candidate for a kid-friendly reboot. Pretty much everything that makes the character interesting depends on him being an adult, with an adult's flaws and problems.

This clip looks and sounds as if somebody stuck Spider-Man into Iron Man's armor, which is just wrong...

worst possible candidate for a kid-friendly reboot
what do you mean?
the weapons manufacturerr part? the nearly dying from your own weapon in a warzone part? the drinking, business and the women stories?

Spider-Man into Iron Man's armor
why am I now envisioning a scene with Tony standing in his father´s bureau, holding the Ironman helmet in his hand, gazing at the city and muttering "From great power comes great responsibility....my dad used to say that"...?
+ he has a redhaired girlfriend

It Can Be An After-School Special!

Sunset Bain...meeeeet Chris Hansen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hansen#To_Catch_a_Predator)!

...and Obie or his stand-in, emotionally manipulates Tony into becoming Iron Man, and maybe tricks him into hitting one of the good guys or somehow setting him up for a fall even though he's wee. Tony accidentally does kill one of the good guys, if we want the MADD angst level of PSA, or just ALMOST, if we don't want it that dark.

Obie gets busted. Agent Fury pulls Tony aside to tell him that "Kid, you have potential", but Fury quite possibly has learned from Bucky (maybe the brainwashing wouldn't have took with someone more grounded, stable and more experienced). Put Tony under the Baxer program alongside Reed Richards.

Jarvis is elected regent, and he'll have a long road ahead of him in mentoring Tony who will have guilt-guilt-guilt from killing or almost killing one of the good guys.

Kids! Robots might be cool, but leave the superheroing to the grown ups!

the weapons manufacturerr part? the nearly dying from your own weapon in a warzone part? the drinking, business and the women stories?

That, and also the periodic involvement in politics and world affairs part.

Trading all that in for teenage angst? No thanks.

Trading all that in for teenage angst? No thanks
I´m making a prophecy: this series (provided it will last long enough) will see a Rhodey/Pepper/Tony love triangle, school bullies and at least one episode about the prom.

I wish I could say you're wrong, but you're probably not.

This clip looks and sounds as if somebody stuck Spider-Man into Iron Man's armor, which is just wrong...

The funny thing was, when then had that shot of them walking together, my brain did a double take because the first thought I had was "Tony and Pete" Which would be... wrong and impossible, yes.

That trailer was pretty fun, but I saw part of the episode they shipped in the DVD set and it was eye-gouging. I couldn't hack it and turned it off.

Anyway, Tony's backstory is a big part of the appeal for me, so Teen!Tony gives me the meh. If I wanted to read about a totally different person, I'd slog through Ulimate Iron Man. Which nothing on earth can make me do.

(Wow, bitch, bitch, bitch. ;) I should mind my manners and thank you for posting the clip. I did enjoy watching it. :D)

LOL manners. Who has those?

Which nothing on earth can make me do
I read it...you didn´t really miss anything, except a bald blue Tony kid and later a teen Tony who gets lifethreatening injuries and loses a limb every two issues....

I should mind my manners
we still have manners? I thought we threw these overboard after they killed cap... to curse and bitch at the guys responsible?

Hey, there, OP! It's you! :D I snagged one of the Tony icons you posted on that 100 page a while back. It's very pretty!

(I credit you in the comments and I credit you here. Thank you! :D)

I´ve seen the comment^^
I´m glad you liked the icon and when you need some more, just grab them^^

The fact that Tony Stark is so young however, just makes everything that much more disturbing. Spiderman can't help but have the power he have, and after Uncle Ben, what he does is therapeutic.

Here, we have a child soldier...why isn't Howard doing something about this? His son doesn't have any superpowers and can and should live a normal life for now.

why isn't Howard doing something about this?
he´s dead?
I´m pretty sure that he dies, because of
a) "Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!" scream at 0:44
b) "what my wantED to do"
c) and I read somewhere that Tony has now to shoulder the weight of the company alone without his parents
d) and Tony needs daddy issues

what´s a "dilf"?

It's the male counterpoint to MILF, like Brad Pitt to Angelina Jolie. People who've retained their hotness in spite of being a parent, or even +200 hotness points on somehow successfully juggling their individuality (pod parents people are scary) without pretending they never had kids and being completely irresponsible and neglecting to parent (Britney Spears, probably her mom, in addition to Paris Hilton's mom).

Oh wait, substitute 's mom with 's parents.

Dad I'd Like to Fuck = DILF

Looks very cool.

OH i had NIGHTMARES!

It hurts to look at....

Why does Marvel do things like this? Is it because they want to hurt me?

I don´t think it´s personal. They like messing with us all.

I want to know why Marvel thinks it is okay to do stupid s*** like this. Seriously...What. The. Eff.

Also, is this supposed to be a movie, or a tv series of some sort?

My only solace is that most cartoons don't last longer than two seasons anyway. May this be killed off in the first one.

TV series.

i'm yay and blah at the same time, it's odd.

Trailer for upcoming series

This is more Orson Scott Card's Ultimate iron man than 616 one

I mean *canon*

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I think it's a joint leadership, sometimes involving Wasp or Storm

Yeah

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I hear you, but I didn't like Card's verse much

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Oh, FFS

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...and now Tony Stark is Batman!

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Well, Howard Stark is sure a DILF in this one

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TV series , I think

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I mean canon