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WE'VE COVERED THIS ALREADY but yeah I agree wholeheartedly. Round face. :D

and EIGHT METER WIDE SHOULDERS :DDDDD

ALSO ALSO gosh I love Tony's ~*giant blue eyes*~ in the ones with Ru. : )))))

Edited 2008-12-19 02:57 (UTC)

ROUND FACE BIG EYES I want everyone to look like a Disney character apparently. :P

I think I do like the lanky look, it's just that most of the time when people draw it comes across as drug addicted rather than like. Well, see icon.

Tony pretty much along the lines of what you posted. Though I do seem him as a bit lankier. Whenever I draw him, I tend to give him pronounce and high cheekbones. I've been very influenced by Miller's take on him from Ultimates I think, and it's still one of my favorite Tony character designs.

Steve, man I'm currently in love with Cassaday's take on Steve from the Marvel Knight's Captain America reboot. he's not as big as some people's Cap, and I like that because I have a preference for a smaller build than the built like a tank look. I've seen it argued that Cassaday made him to small, but *shrugs*

Again, I'm also partial to Miller's Ultimate look. He was big without I don't know looking to silly. I also like the Avenges artist who did the Hawkeye Cap conversation, which you have a scan of in the very bottom right. He has a lot of boyish charm and personality captures in his face and I always thought that artist did a good job getting the character as well as the look.

So umm yeah I guess that summarizes how I see him, big but with a certain boyish charm *L*

Ooooh, yes, I definitely like Steve's Ultimates look, if only I liked ultimates D:

Ultimates is my Woobie. I wouldn't be here if not for that *L*

I think that's why it was ok for me though because I didn't know the Avengers at all, so Ultimates dind't really mess with my head, versus Ultimate Spiderman which . . . messed with my head (NO Aunt May no Pink Floyd shirt! *flail*). And by not knowing 'em, I mean I seriously did not even know Jan wasn't Asian (and she still is in my head. I have to watch for it if I write 616 that I don't reference Jan being Asian or Gail being Steve's old girlfriend ^^;;).

Ultimates also puts Steve in an actual military uniform quite a bit, and I'm a complete and utter sucker for that. *.*

ani_bester and I being two of 'em.

Five. I like it too. I spent a year or two hiding from scary canon in the grimy hardcore alt!verse.

Whose heads are in Tony's lap on of the bottom pics in that collage?

....

Okay that sounded bad.

But yes that is so what Tony (and I love how much RDJ fits that look) and Steve should look like.

Lol I've tried to reply to this like 12 times and keep getting distracted.

OKAY they're refugees, Tony stumbled on this awful totalitarian government that was killing its people, and he went underground with them. That's a daughter and her mother. I believe the mother ends up putting on this old suit of his that melds into her body somehow, or she can't live without it? something. He saves them all, and the woman ends up following Tony to New York to beg him to kill her. he refuses, so she busts up Pepper (causing her to miscarriage). It's around issue 55 i think, V3.

so she busts up Pepper (causing her to miscarriage)

O_O Marvel writers you suck.

It's hilarious to me because Pepper and Happy already had two kids together. A boy and a girl. But writers along the way forgot so they made this big to-do about them getting pregnant and ~going for kids~.

Well I guess hilarious is the wrong word.

you icon

is mesmerizing.

It wasn't one of his Iron Man suits. It was some kind of prototype cybernetic super-armor that was supposed to inject drugs into a soldier's system to keep them souped-up and healthy, only it turned out really nasty because the person inside could be falling apart and the suit wouldn't let them die. I think it was originally Stark's, but he'd been so horrified by the early results that he'd canned the project. That prototype had been stolen before he had them destroyed, or something.

Personally, I'm not a fan of scraggly Tony (see 90's art for more detail). I actually visualize him more along the lines of the two pics in the middle of the collage with the bluish-purplish tone (second row up in the middle, posed with hand on temple). Man I am good at explaining things. I also hate it when he's drawn as being upper-middle aged. I think of him around 32. I would say I like Jimmy Cheung's version of him the best, but Cheung draws everyone pretty much the same. But I still like it.

Cap? Not so friggin' broad. Sure, he's physically superior to pretty much everything, but it doesn't mean he has to look like he's Mr. Universe on steroids. He can't look like a giant oaf if he's to have any agility, etc. It just doesn't work for me. Otherwise, Steve is a handsome guy and is fortunate to not have as many variations as Tony. This is, of course, omitting What If? Fallen Son. That was just plain terrible, as has already been acknowledged.

So I'll take him any way. XD

My personal favorite, however, is disappointed Cap. See icon.

Just curious, is there a representation of your definition of "too broad" in the Steve collage?

Yep. Start at the bottom right-hand corner, move three pics up at the far right, then the one just to the left of that. TOO BROAD.

LOL NEVERMIND I'M DRUNK AND DON'T KNOW LEFT FROM RIGHT

Yeah that one looks a little weird to me too, but I don't think it's the actual broadness that gets to me so much as the cartoony bubbly-ness of his muscles. His neck is a bit too wide, too, kind of cavemanish.

... You are going to have so many copies of this in your inbox.

Edited 2008-12-19 03:08 (UTC)

lol (friends you) I like the way you think.

I want Steve to look like sometimes he breaks chairs if he sits down too hard. x))

Just a note: I think I had forgotten that Freakazoid had ever existed until I saw your icon. It's now burned into my retinas. Thank you for giving me this opportunity, friend. XD

God, the more I look at the icon the more disturbed I'm becoming. I think he's doing something sexually perverse. Like violently jerking off or something. Oh God I need to stop looking at your iconjfkjdskljfkls

D:

DUDE I KNOW - WHY?!? Now I feel like Calvin is watching Freakazoid. This is not gonna be good... (SHUT UP BRAIN)

...(friends you)

lolol god nooo these are pure wholesome things stop tainting them!

(FRIENDS BACK)

I love how you respond to my perverse thoughts with an entirely and blatantly perverse/disturbing icon.

Kudos to you, friend.

Here's one in response, taken from my very own bedroom. XD

He's handsome, but not overly so. He really has a nice face that reflects his personality. Oh, Steve.

Sure, he's physically superior to pretty much everything, but it doesn't mean he has to look like he's Mr. Universe on steroids.

I want to embroider that on a pillow and mail it to the Marvel illustrators *LOL* I hate it when Cap looks ungodly huge. I tend to think of him as about The Rock's size. Once we get to like Brock Lesner size or bigger I start not liking it.

. . . yes I watched wrestling . . . . (truth I think Cap would have an MMA kinda body, strength and agility man)

Edited 2008-12-19 03:13 (UTC)

Yeah! He's supposed to be muscular and all, it's just that it can hit a certain level where he looks like some overinflated beefcake henchman or something. You know what I mean! Like, this is just the stereotype that exists in my mind: the larger the muscles, the lesser the intellect. Personal bias, yes, but it still rings true with me. I can just see him in a couple pics on the collage saying, "D'uhh, where to, Boss?".

LOL. I think I'm going more insane than usual. XD

Personal bias, yes, but it still rings true with me. I can just see him in a couple pics on the collage saying, "D'uhh, where to, Boss?".

*LOL* It's because of all The Lennys stereotypes from ohhh shit what was that book. OF Mice and Men. I totally get where you are coming form =P

For me it's mostly aesthetics. The muscles get too big and I start getting kinda crossed out. Like Young Arnold as Mr Universe total squick for me ^^;;;

Yes, exactly. Lots of muscles are gross. Prolly because I have a violent reaction of illness when I see bulging veins.

Thank god I'm not alone in this. I get squicked out by bodybuilders too! You get all sorts of people talking about how amazing guys look when they're like, totally ripped, and their veins are popping out... but I just can't help feeling they're going to pop at any moment like an overinflated balloon. And when their muscles are *really* defined, it just looks like some kind of anatomical drawing, or worse, like they've been skinned.

Consequently, when Steve turns up drawn with a huge jaw, no neck and more muscle than a polar bear, it just leaves me cold. :-\ I mean, he's not just a powerhouse, he's agile too, and there is a point where the bulk of the body starts getting in the way of flexibility...

Hmmmnmgfd I feel compelled to say some things in defense of the larger Steves I've posted here lol

the reason why I love that rendition so much is the artist obviously actually went out and researched strength training.

What you're describing is muscle toning, which is what body builders do, and leaves them looking like skeletons with muscles, and is very much all show, very little strength and =/= strength training. Strength training has a very different regimen, with very different goals, and is what I believe Steve's work out would be more like. (Muscle toning is essentially just the human equivalent of a dog show, you are grooming your body for show, they go into work outs thinking "how can I make my arms more pronounced?" whereas strength training is "how will I be able to lift more?") It makes the body solid and almost, to the untrained eye, overweight looking, but is really anything but. It does not leave the body muscle bound and unable to bend in any way, unless you're incredibly lazy in your work outs, which Steve obviously would not be.

I mean I totally understand, comics are fantasy and everyone has their own preference, but :C this is not a body builder body (http://i40.tinypic.com/t8b7kz.png), it is just 100% strength and health.

Yeah, you're right it is just strength and health with the ones you've posted. I think I was partly thinking of the Rob Leifield(?) drawings, which are fairly, um, extreme *g*. But still, the bulkier end of things just does nothing for me (maybe it just makes me feel small!), and the way people write Steve in this comm make me want to be physically attracted as well as mentally attracted, so my mental image of him tends to not go much bigger than a football player sort of build.

"Strength training... does not leave the body muscle bound and unable to bend in any way, unless you're incredibly lazy in your work outs, which Steve obviously would not be." Ah, OK, that makes a lot of sense - and yes, there's no way Steve would get lazy in his workouts *pats him fondly*. I have no knowledge of strength training - my instincts and knowledge are geared towards swimming and ballet, endurance and flexibility. And I wasn't thinking he was overweight, or that tendon shortening or stiffness of muscle might get in the way of Steve's agility, simply that muscle bulk takes up space and, for example, diameter of thigh + depth of chest might make it less likely that Steve can touch his toes, or tuck into a forward roll or something. Arrgh, I'm not explaining this very well.

I suppose for me it boils down to the fact that we mould our bodies in size and shape to do what we want, choosing between speed and endurance, strength and flexibility, and it seems that since Steve's body's designed to be the best balance possible, excelling in all things, it would make sense for it not to appear to be a too specialised body type...

LIEFELD'S IDEA OF MUSCLES IS CLUSTERS OF LUMPY TUMOR-LIKE GROWTHS AROUND A BONE

... No one should use Liefeld's horrific Steve as an example. We should all just pretend he doesn't exist.

I think I was partly thinking of the Rob Leifield(?) drawings, which are fairly, um, extreme *g*.

LIEEEFEEEEEEEEELD! <Kirk&/gt;

Um, sorry, Pavlovian response there. (His Cap America drawing makes me want to claw my eyes out. D: )

*grin* Liefeld's drawings of anyone make me want to claw my eyes out. On first appearance they seem to be merely pretty damn ugly. Then you realise they don't work anatomically...

And I also don't like his habit of drawing the costumes as though they're painted on - fabric has actual thickness and it drapes over muscles/other bulges, it doesn't mould to each and every crevice like a vacuum-packed joint of meat!

...That's actually a really good comparison. I favor the Rock's build for Steve myself.

Brock Lesner is scary-looking. I keep waiting for him to explode. Any minute now.

(My roommate likes to watch wrestling and laugh at the ridiculousness of it. It is pretty funny...and the occasional hot half-naked guy doesn't hurt either.)

I am curious for people who imagine Tony under at least the perpetual 35 and explain how he has like 40 years of backstory/experience. Needs retcon AVENGERS: when they were teenagers.

You make a good point though, I think that's why I was kinda having any trouble thinking of distinctly different Steve's, the only thing that really changes from artist to artist is if he can actually get through doorways with those shoulders.

well it is pretty easy when the majority of tony's actions for the past 40 years could've been done by an over confident dude in his early twenties lol

IDK why he should age though when no one else around him is though, like I picture Jan, Hank and Tony all around the same age, early 30s. They are all **timeless.**

SO THERE IS MY UNSOLICITED OPINION, as long as all his crew are drawn the same age, I'm happy. And because ~~tits~~Jan will always be drawn as a hottie this will never be.

Hank and Jan have like roughly a 10 ten year age gap... XD At least originally.

And I think everyone looks older than they did in their first appearances (especially Jan), I don't think it should be just him XD But I'm more referring to like, solo stuff and how he's drawn. For Tony, I guess what boggles me is he has a lot more in his backstory that doesn't account for him like, starting off too young. His solid, non time scale-sliding backstory of a man who's already made a ton of inventions (like, okay, more than I think they mention anymore (http://pics.livejournal.com/th3newblack/pic/003shg94))/runs a huge company/is hella popular just makes more sense for someone in their late thirties to me. XD Otherwise it comes off as like TOO Gary Stuish to me, I guess is what I'm trying to account for D: To be fair, I feel the same way about Hank; I don't think everyone needs to be the exact same age.

I have about six different Tonys in my brain, and maybe three Steves. Strangely they don't conflict and they all have something to recommend them. :D

That said, I love these collages. May I save them?

LOL of course!! :D

Any pictures or examples you can think of for your guys?

You've got the ones I like best already -- I love how Cheung draws Tony (he penciled New Avengers etc.) and also Steve. It's the characterisations as well as the clean lines. That artist succeeds very well at making both male and female heroes look completely gorgeous.

The only thing I really can't abide is some of the 90s treatment with the lantern jaws and mircroscopic noses a la Leifeld. That's just wrong. ;)

I'm also of the tall/lanky/angular school for Tony. This is going to be the weirdest comparison ever, but I picture him as a more attractive/groomed Gordon Freeman (from Half-Life), only with the right hair color. (I have a feeling that's mostly because I started playing H-L right around when I picked up IM, so my wires may have gotten crossed. Dude with a suit and van dyke who can kill you with SCIENCE? Yeah, could be either of them.) Sort of how he's drawn in those panels with Ru. (Although his hair's always shorter in my head)

As for Steve, because my brain gets in the way of comic book science sometimes, I tend to think of him with a narrower face (BUT THE EPIC CHIN!) just because changing muscle mass and whatnot is one thing, but the SSS shouldn't have been able to change his whole bone structure. I love (and picture him as) how he was drawn during the arc in NA dealing with the Sentry back in like 05 (which are the pictures you've got of him in the blue t-shirt with the white collar.) So mildly tank like, but still in a really odd, odd way slightly bony. That doesn't even make sense, so pretend it does? :D

Either way, I tend to picture them both as less comic book and more real life when I write, just because it's what my brain defaults to. (SORTA!LONG COMMENT IS SORTA!LONG, SORRY. D:)

Oh man, I've never made the Freeman comparison before, wow. Now I can't stop thinking about it. I think the reason I never saw it was that I always saw Freeman as a little bit awkward, where Tony is kind of the opposite of that. But yeah I can see where you're coming from.

That's my favourite Steve too!

AND YEAH, when I'm writing/reading, I'm picturing real life versions of my favourite drawn Steves and Tonys. No one who hasn't been in a drawn fandom understands that. :D

I KNOW, RIGHT? The first time I noticed it I was like "Ok, now I can't unsee it." But yeah, Tony's like a million times more suave/less awkward. I don't even want to know what would happen if you put Freeman in the same room with a Maxim model. (CROWBAR!)

Everyone once and a while I'll find myself picturing Tony with the GODDAMN GLASSES and it just gets hella confusing. Especially since Tony wouldn't have gone anywhere near glasses like that, not even in the 80's. (Although there was the pink shirt...)

I have this really bizarre kink of wanting my favorite characters to wear big clunky glasses.

I just thought I'd share that.

Then I bring you this: glasses! (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Gordon_Freeman_-_Valve_Concept_Art_-_Walking_with_a_crowbar_-_cropped.jpeg)

I so need to do a manip and make his suit red and gold.

I keep picturing Tony wailing on his enemies with a crowbar and I cannot stop laughing. Oh gosh I have to replay HL tomorrow.

HAHA OH GOD THAT'S THE BEST MENTAL IMAGE EVER. Especially since in my head he's wearing the armor and the rest of the team is going "... did you repulsors run out of juice or something? Tony? Tony, you're scaring us."

He just wanted to try a more hands-on approach, and has been playing too many video games. This Freeman fellow seems to be onto something.

In my head he plays Half-Life and Gears of War and likes yelling at the screen when they get they get the science wrong. And watches just a little bit too much Mythbusters. (There is no way that Tony's not a closet geek like that.)

And watches just a little bit too much Mythbusters.
OMG YES THERE NEEDS TO BE FIC ABOUT THAT!

LIKE, RIGHT NOW.

POSSIBLY WITH EXPLOSIONS AND A DISAPPROVING JARVIS!

Edited 2008-12-19 03:59 (UTC)

I ACTUALLY KINDA SORTA WROTE THAT ALREADY. It was super short though, and had disapproving Pepper instead, hehe. :D

WANTWANTWANTWANT!

Oh man there's no way he's a closet geek, he wears that shit proud. He makes everyone who's anywhere near the living room come in and sit down when Mythbusters is on, and makes bets with them over which myths will be busted and which will be confirmed. And he is so triumphant when he's right despite the fact that by that time, everyone but Peter, who's actually interested, and Steve, who's too amused by Tony's excitement to leave, has escaped. He gloats to them later about his being right, and they don't even remember what he's talking about.

Dude, I feel like those two need to spend more time watching science TV/playing video games. 8D

And Pym, who will absolutely take those bets because he knows SCIENCE! too!

Only they always end up agreeing on how it'll come out, because they're too smart for their own good.

And then they start geek-talking, and everybody else runs for the hills when they break out the mirror-lasers to test for themselves because Mythbusters GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG!OMG!

Except Thor, who wants to watch because he thinks he could totally get the dwarven smiths to build that s***.

LOL YES Tony and Hank are the reason they have myths revisited shows. They talk about all the mail they get complaining about their experiments, but what they don't mention is that it actually comes exclusively from two whackjobs at some place called Stark Tower.

This is now my canon!

(which are the pictures you've got of him in the blue t-shirt with the white collar.)

Yes! Frank Cho's Steve is tasty, indeed. ♥

Cho is amazing. I would follow him around daily with buckets of cash if he'd just keep drawing Avengers.

I only wish I'd liked his take on Tony half so well as his Steve. *sigh*

Aww, I always thought his Tony was super cute in a dorky, over-dressed rich boy kind of way.

Mostly, I'm with you.

Specifically, this is my Steve:

(Ah, Carol, you get all the luck. And still, Steve is one of the few men I "know" who are comfortable to hug a female friend to comfort her without any sexual overtones!)

And this is my Tony:

Really loved Maleev's run of CW: The Confession. This is exactly how I picture Tony. Also, the lip-biting is very hot. (And yes, his eyes should be blue, but that's the colorist's fault).

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOMETHING

Edited 2008-12-19 03:34 (UTC)

Can't take my eyes off that O_o!Cap icon.

O_o

WTF?! *points* Not!Steve!

I LOVELOVELOVE that version of Steve. <3 That art in general for that arc was totally gorgeous. (Totally forget who did it, do you know?)

Tony's eyes change color from issue to issue, I swear. On an upcoming cover for IIM, he's got green. And he had blue in DoS and brown in everything else. I can't even keep track of this shit anymore. D:

(Totally forget who did it, do you know?)

Frank Cho, whose art I first saw in his book "Liberty Meadows." :)

Frank Cho is amazing, and it's doubly amazing when they choose a colorist that works well with the artist. (Yes, I'm looking at you, IIM!).

I think RDJ confused some of them on the color of Tony's eyes -- plus maybe its a sign of Extremis working?

They could have made him wear contacts! I swear, Tony's eyes must be blue!

But RDJ's eyes are so beautiful....Best part of his body.

But, I think comics!Tony should have blue eyes.

BEST STEVE EVER oh my gosh I love his smile while he's hugging Carol. X))))

Tony is so gorgeous there it took me a few stares to register the wrong eye colour. And I'm freakishly touchy about that.

I love his smile while he's hugging Carol
BEST CUDDLY BEAR EVER I SWEAR!

...

I can't believe I just wrote that. IN CAPS-LOCK!

And yeah, that is probably the most gorgeous Tony ever.

Edited 2008-12-19 03:45 (UTC)

omg your tony is fabulous! yes this i agree

Yeah, wish they would call Maleev for Invincible Iron Man. The eye candy would be unbelievable.

Damn Tony is pretty in this. Yep. There it is. The way I like him best.

...marry me?!
here is the same (the only Tony that I would maybe prefer is the one who spoke with the Watchman in What If CW at the begin)

So what the fcuk was that in my issue of Dark Reign? The art was so bad, I had to return the comic for a refund.

Yeah, I don't know what happened either.

Damn, that's why I was so confused about that issue! The art was so nauseating, I went and checked the artist's name so I'd know never to go near a comic he worked on...but I saw "Maleev" and my brain fried, and I couldn't figure out why.

Brandon Cho, right? I like it. He's big, but not too big, I like the laugh lines (maturity and ease with it). Epting does a very good Steve as well. His body isn't so bulky as Cho's, and when Steve literally bounds into action, you can feel him wanting to jump off the page into your living room. Ugh, when I come back, I need to find some pictures and show.

qsdlqkjsdTONY! D: With the lip-biting and the sad and the WAH! Somebody get him a big fluffy blanket, hot chocolate, cookies, and some sappy, fluffy movies to watch, STAT!

Maleev's art on the Confession is my definitive Steve, and pretty close to my definitive Tony (definitive Tony = Patrick Zircher + Maleev + a little old skool Don Heck & Gene Colan + a dash of the volume 3 stuff in the Original Post's collage).

The New Avengers art on Steve I just can't get into, because DARK EYEBROWS WTF?

The New Avengers art on Steve I just can't get into, because DARK EYEBROWS WTF?
Well... I have a confession to make. I was mostly looking at the arms.

ARMS!

The arms are indeed very nice ^_^. That issue is largely responsible for my conviction that Steve's entire casual wardrobe ought to consist of tight, blue t-shirts (Tony's should be all grease-stained wifebeaters and goggles).

Ungh, lord yes.

Also, I agree about the dark eyebrows being so so weird, but the rest of his face and body is so close to what I see in my head that I tend to disregard that one flaw. The armssss and that smile. :D

And then there was pr0n.

both of your collages are fabulous! they gave me all sorts of memories! (and they are very pretty to look at!) i DEFINITELY agree with most of your tony and i do admit i like my steve a bit broad myself :3

(http://pics.livejournal.com/pandanoai/pic/000hqrh5/)

oh and i agree with the people on here who said that they mix like... a real person/not so much drawn version of steve or tony in their heads while reading or writing things. I do this too. In fact i had a dream once that had tony stark (in a sword fight with stephen colbert >.>) in it and he wasn't a "drawing" but he wasn't RDJ either.

Ok, you offically have the most badass, awesome dreams ever. :D

the best part was that they were fighting over GRAMMER, and the correct use of "your" and "you're" while skydiving... cuz apparently it changes depending on what altitude you're at. and stark pulls out a flow chart (seemingly out of nowhere) and tosses the chart at Colbert-- winning the fight-- and then marches off to a party that's in the other room of this big mansion place they were at.

o_0

You've pretty much captured my Tony XD I've always seen him as in shape but not BUFF like his fellow heroes. I mean, you have to be fit to fight like he does, but the suit has all the muscle behind it, so he doesn't really have to worry about getting really built. And I agree that Tony should be in his early 30s -- the DoS Haunted arc was amazing, but it was like Old Man Tony, yo.

Steve, I'd probably have to say what we see in the first few issues of New Avengers after Cheung's run (you have a picture of him in the upper middle). I love Cheung's art work to pieces, but, yeah, everyone kind of looks the same (I always though his Maria Hill looked like Tony without the goatee). Steve's also in his 30s in my head, nevermind he's actually in his 80s -- he was 20 when he was recruited, and it's been ten years since he got out of the ice, so yeah.

Oh yes, and Steve is buff, but not BUFF.

The end.

YAY Mad love as usual. You and me. Same wavelength, man.

Why is it even though everyone looks the same that Cheung's art is just fabulous? Probably because he did the Illuminati. And Young Avengers.

Probably.

Lol yay~ <3

Cheung did do a lot of the first stuff that I read, so maybe I have a soft spot for him because of that. Or because his work is just amazing XD I really love his style.

Count me in on the not-too-buff!Steve school. My rationale is purely selfish: I don't like muscle-bound guys => muscle-bound guys are not perfect. Steve is physically perfect => Steve is not a muscle-bound guy. It's logical, granted that my opinions are objective measures of reality. WHICH THEY SO ARE.

Steve in my head is *solid*, strong-looking in a comforting way. He looks like a very fit guy, but not a weightlifter or something silly like that. Because that's not huggable, and Steve must be huggable.

Yes. This. Absolutely! I keep coming up with good semi-plausible reasons why Steve shouldn't be too buff, but it pretty much boils down to "I don't like muscle-bound guys" and "Steve should be huggable" *g*.

I figured I'd post the images that were probably most influential on me when it comes to drawing Steve.

Tony is just . . Tony is his cheeks, facial hair, and touch of mischief, and when I get that right, as an artist, I'm happy *L*

Anyway: Steve Face

artists are: Gabriele Dell'Otto (secret War), Jea Lee (MK: Captain America), Cassaday (MK: Captain America), and Brain Hitch (The Ultimates)
Crying Steve btw FTW. OMG I want to hug him. Hands down Hitch is the most influential on my lok for Steve, probably followed closely by to Cassaday.

Steve Build

Artists are: Butch Guice (Ultimates Origin#2), Brian Hitch again and Gabriele Dell'Otto again.

Guice's Steve is about as big as I can take him. Big certainly but not ridiculously. I give Guice major props though because 90% of the story was pre-serum Steve, and he did a god job of keeping it looking like the same person, especially in the face.

I wish I'd gotten a good scan of Cassaday's Steve but I don't feel like going through the 9/11 issue right now ^^;; Sorry.

Edited 2008-12-19 04:19 (UTC)

:3
yum yum!
I want Ult!Caps shirt like burning <333

Oooh Dell'Otto.... Mmmmm....

WHEN DID CHENG DO TONY!?

my, that sounds kinky~

Oh, sorry I didn't reply to this right away D: Jim Cheung did New Avengers 25 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/8og9jt), one of my favorite issues.

oooooh~ *wriggles and pets him* I think he's gonna be at NYCC~ Which means I'm going to sit there and beg for custom art. because i'm a dork.

You will definitely have to share it when you get it :DD

IF I get it. I hope I do. ;;

Of course, Fraction will be there. As will Bendis and Quesada. I'm tempted to toss a shoe at either Bendis or Quesada tho.... ;; but i would get kicked out of con! ;;

Edited 2008-12-21 17:20 (UTC)

This is probably the weirdest out of everyone's but Tony-in-my-head is like a whiter version of Tony Leung. Because that man does sneaky, and manipulative, and badass, and brilliant and then he nails you. With. Those. EYES.

*wibbles*

I also believe that he is the Asian Johnny Depp. Do we sense a fangirl? *raises hand*

I'm probably sounding like a broken record, or at least my very old Dark Side of the Moon, here but Mental!Steve is always and forever 1602!Steve. Partially because that was the first comic I ever read that actually had him in it beyond a frame or two, partially because it's my favourite Marvel comic and almost certainly because they got the muscle ratio RIGHT. He's big...but not too big, badass but so totally the mother hen all at the same time and his chin doesn't have its own gravitational pull!

"This is probably the weirdest out of everyone's but Tony-in-my-head is like a whiter version of Tony Leung. Because that man does sneaky, and manipulative, and badass, and brilliant and then he nails you. With. Those. EYES."

Oh laws, now that you've said it it could not be more true. And it is really not something I am at all unhappy about. Tony!Tony is just... purrrrr. And couple that with 1602!Steve... oh heaven....

My Leung!Tony image is new-ish. Post-CW!Tony is the ultimate woobie and has gotten mixed up in my head with Leung as Broken Sword in Hero, the other ultimate woobie. That LOOK he gives Snow. Oh. My. GOD!

Kills me every time!

(And then there's the running around and the awesome in Infernal Affairs. Leung is LOVE!)

Strangely enough, part of the attraction to 1602!Steve for me is the hair. The hair and the feathers. It's so odd!

"Leung as Broken Sword in Hero, the other ultimate woobie"

Oh Lord, woobie doesn't even begin to cover it. There should be laws against eyes you can drown in.

And the kind of quiet intensity, the smouldering-ness of 2042 (I'm completely transported just listening to its soundtrack) is totally the dark!Tony of the last while.

"The hair and the feathers."

Awesome in an oh-excuse-me-while-I-leave-my-jaw-on-the-floor-phwoar kind of way. I was so distracted I swear I didn't even get who he was supposed to be till the end. Very embarrassing once I realised.

I must admit to the not knowing as well.

It's kinda embarassing but...meh...distracted.

I get the impression that 1602!Steve was having a lot of fun playing around with Peter. Hell, it's Peter! EVERYONE likes to fuck with his head, it's like the supercommunity's national sport!

SO LATE TO ALL THE ACTUALLY GOOD POSTS TODAY WTF. This is really interesting to see though!!

I have a pretty cemented image of Tony in my head, though I couldn't say one artist ever entirely got everything I like, so here's some of my favs. All around I like him to have obviously good bone structure (cheek bones/firm chin/long, thin bridge nose, etc). As an aside, I liked when artists drew him with a good amount of chest/arm hair, etc, tears that waxing became the trend in comics over the past 10 years or so ;_; And agreeing with

sdroid up there that I like Tony as a relativity average/just mildly muscular build. Though I kinda disagree age wise, I like it when he's drawn to look late thirties/early forties, which is why the 90's art trips me up a lot (half the time he looked like, mid 20s...) XD Which I guess depends on which kind of handsomeness you like, I like more of a refined look than the kind of SMOULDER MCHOTTY of the Granov art XD

Except for this panel. This is everything I want in a man, right here.

Though as for Steve, I dunno, I'm fairly flexible about him because he doesn't seem to have as many NEED TO BE THERE traits to me, beyond an epic chin and yes, a brick shithouse.

Edited 2008-12-19 08:29 (UTC)

(also it dawned on me why I was somewhat scrounging for recent stuff cause I know I like SOME, and then remembered that it's not 616. Or comic book art. Ultimate animated Tony (http://pics.livejournal.com/th3newblack/pic/004881ef) is my favourite currentish Tony, which probably is what shows the most in my fanart XD)

I like his voice, his mannerisms, the fact that he ribs Captain America at every turn in the second cartoon. I actually like Ultimate cartoon Steve as well, black eyebrows aside.

I also enjoy this version. The voice is hot, the mannerisms amuse me, the one liners...

The fact that he was hit with a giant log and called it embarrassing.

Ultimate cartoon Tony is my jam.

I'd be a happy woman. I'm hoping that the new artist for The Ultimates gets the mandate that Ult Tony is supposed to be hot. As it is, Ult comics Tony looks like a man gone to seed.

I completely agree.

And I agree the Ult comic Tony should look like Ult Cartoon Tony. I'd buy the ladies man aspect of the character a hell of a lot more since he'd at least be pretty.

I mean, money can't be everything, nor charm. The thing with 616 and Marvel Adventures Stark is the fact that Stark has it all: he's rich, brilliant, charming and handsome. The looks are the kicker, because you see him as eye candy, until you want to dismiss him, but you can't because he is brilliant and rich. But you can't think of him as a twat because he's beautifully mannered, and it's only when you get involved with him you realise how messed up Stark can be.

So yeah, Stark has to be hot, come Ultimates vol 4, this I command!

I couldn't have said it better if I'd scripted that for you to speak for me because I'm too lazy and busy to do it myself. Fantastic.

I think we should start a campaign. The fourth time, you must get it right and if Tony doesn't make me orgasm just by sheer looks alone... well then, you sir are fired. Since, it has to be that way as they need to make up for past failure.

The first time I saw Ult Tony, I was like, WTF, fug! I know that he's supposed to be mortally ill and blah blah blah, but mortally ill doesn't equal fug. Tony Stark is supposed to have a face like a fallen angel.

I put down the Ultimates because Tony was fug.It made me so miserably sad. Brain tumor doesn't equal ugly. There are plenty of attractive people who have brain tumors.

I feel like you and I have made a real connection here.

put down the Ultimates because Tony was fug.It made me so miserably sad. Brain tumor doesn't equal ugly. There are plenty of attractive people who have brain tumors.

Yeah, I put down the Ultimates too, but then someone bought me a few trades and I powered through them. I literally wince when I see Stark man, because I've known him as like, incandescent in his hotness (to think I thought the Tom Selleck stache and perm was bad). But Ultimates has it's own charms... but I do hope the next artist gets a clue.

Tony needs to be so hot, he makes women's panties dissolve at fifty paces.

The unhealthy amount of sexual attraction I have for this man who doesn't even really exist (except for in my own world where I roleplay as him) is just... amazing.

And then they have to take it away.

Don't even start me on the perm and stach. I hate the 70s.

Actually, Tony's been through some dodgy incarnations over the years. I do like the look that he's rocked from 2003 to now though - shorter hair since it tends to spring into curls and corkscrews when longer (see him circa mid 90s and the Trevor Fitzroy hair), I also like the van dyke facial scaping, because it takes a certain sort of man to carry that off without it looking like a ponce.

I've always liked looking at Stark, because I think with him being shades of metrosexual, he has fun with his look in a way that most men in the Marvel U don't. I like the fact that Tony likes to wear suits, but will rock an aran sweater and some slacks. Stark is open to changing up his look in a way that other guys don't or can't. Stark is bad. ass.

I really like him, in a way that I could never do with Steve. Which is why my fanfic is kicking my arse. I want to write Tony but Steve is trying to get a look in. I can't write him, so I'm telling him to be gone.

Agreed again, couldn't have put it better myself you know this drill, we've done it before.

But I think even worse for me than the perm, because everyone needs to learn from that mistake at least once and Stark is no exception, is that fade he had for a while. What the hell was that? If I was Rumiko I'd have been like... grow your hair out and then we'll talk. Disgraceful.

Haha, I have no Steve voice at all... which is why he is probably sucktastic in my fic. But whatever. I'll be fine playing Tony for the rest of my life... which is weird because somehow it's translated to real life when my ex said I reminded her of him after seeing the movie. And my Starkness intensified.

I mean, it was the nineties, it was an innocent time, and the facial scaping prevented it from looking too poncey. He couldn't wear it now, because the naughties is a different time. But I like the look because it captures a time.

which is weird because somehow it's translated to real life when my ex said I reminded her of him after seeing the movie.

Oy. RDJ really impressed me. Like, really, really, really impressed me with the Starkness. Props to the director who was brought up on the comic and the screen writers.

When's the second IM movie coming out, btw?

I've never been a fan of the fade style on anyone. It's just goofy. But again, if anyone can marginally make it work...

RDJ, I loved him before IM and after I considered becoming him.

I believe 2 is slated for May of 2010, same year as Thor and then Captain America and Avengers will be in 2011. So we have a year of hype for IM 2 to look forward to, and two years of Avengers and Cap hype.

May I friend you? I think I'm in love. (or as close as I'm willing to admit to such)

The thing is, I stopped using my LJ ages ago (I was in the HP fandom), and I only use it for posting fic on this comm. :D' I'll friend you because I read my flist. Are you on twitter? I'm jazzypom I'm like, there everyday.

I don't know if Twitter works on Mac. I use ichat which essentially is AIM.

But I'm not opposed to new messenger systems. I am a fan of chatting with people about random things in replacement for doing important things.

I tend to twitter stuff about Tony Stark, and bitch about the fanfic I'm writing. It was supposed to be 100k, but I'll be lucky if I can get 25k of fic that I actually like. I've done 5k (that I like), am an another 5k (but side eyeing Steve because he wants a part of that action, and that ain't gonna fly. I just haven't told Captain Underpants as yet).

Fun, it is. I'm also knitting socks. Oy.

Well I will check out this twitter thing and send you a little message when I figure it out. I've got nothing important to do today (which means I actually have a lot of important things to do today) so it'll be a time filler.

IF you ever use instant messenger. I am literally on it all the time. I also have yahoo messenger.

It doesn't crash or act up like my bloody MSM, and yahoo is problematic. I tend to be on gmail and twitter most times. Or reading online comics, and looking at twenty pages of longhand Stark fic to type on my google documents.

Once you go gmail, boy...

I do has the gmail! We should gmail messenger sometime. My email address is..

they.took.my.freakin.kidney@gmail.com

iChat has been faithfully behaved. It sometimes has it's issues and I tell it to stop being such a bitch and it behaves again.

I just did one of them there twitter things. User name is: drawinginfinity

I do like the look that he's rocked from 2003 to now though - shorter hair since it tends to spring into curls and corkscrews when longer (see him circa mid 90s and the Trevor Fitzroy hair), I also like the van dyke facial scaping, because it takes a certain sort of man to carry that off without it looking like a ponce

Word. I blame Dumas for my sekrit liking for Van Dyke goatees (Aramis has been my fictional boyfriend since approximately the age of eleven).

I have a certain fondness for the godawful perm era, too -- one of the occasional character descruption argument I get into with

seanchai is that I think of Tony with naturally wavy hair and she think of him as straight-haired. We agree on the cheekbones, though. The cheekbones are key. Also the ridiculously long eyelashes.

And his volume 3 ribbed sweaters are love (Steve, I think, may wear brightly colored red & green Christmas sweaters in the winter, much to Tony's consternation - not that a man who's worn pink "Superstar" tracksuits and purple ascots has any room to criticize).

Tony's consternation - not that a man who's worn pink "Superstar" tracksuits and purple ascots has any room to criticize

Heh. I just tie that look to Tony's metrosexuality. There's a certain 'fun' that the artist can do with Tony looks and clothing wise, and it will work. Whilce Portatio had Tony Stark in this random bolero top, I mean, random (but that's Portatio) but it worked, because it was Tony Stark. So I tend to see him as well, someone who's fashion forward enough to try new looks, and is willing to get it wrong. That's something I see with the Europeans that you don't get so much with American men.

Yeah, I do think of Tony's hair as wavy, because I grow up on 70s and 80s Stark with the thick, wavy hair, and that's why when Portatio had his hair spiralling into corkscrews, I could see it. It worked for him, just as how the shorter hair works for him now. He keeps it short enough so that it doesn't wave or kink.

Like I said further down thread, Marvel Adventures Iron Man is my ideal look for Tony Stark, but I'm alright with the 90s too, because he had the van dyke and the curly hair.

My first real intro to Iron Man was mainlining the entire drinking arc (from Demon in a Bottle through to Tony homeless on the street and then the whole Circuits Maximus era aftermath) a few years ago during one really bad week in February (I basically locked myself in my apartment the entire week with comics torrent downloads

seanchai had sent me), so my formative Iron Man experience includes a lot of thick, wavy hair, lots of self-worth and depression issues on Tony's part, bad 80s clothing, and a bunch of covers like my icon.

Well, that, and the 1998 Captain America/Iron Man annual, which pretended to be about Steve & Tony fighting Modok on a desert island, but was actually about the two of them having a relationship fight.

My first real intro to Iron Man was mainlining the entire drinking arc (from Demon in a Bottle through to Tony homeless on the street and then the whole Circuits Maximus era aftermath) a few years ago during one really bad week in February

That? Must have been a bad week. It's one thing to read IM monthly, but to have an entire fiction dump on you? Whoa, I say, whoa.

Well, that, and the 1998 Captain America/Iron Man annual, which pretended to be about Steve & Tony fighting Modok on a desert island, but was actually about the two of them having a relationship fight.

WHAAAT? Do you have a link, or file share so I can look at this, plz?

Cheers

Yes really, he's all around excellent, I love the voice actor they got. We need more Ult movies (....ones where Hank doesn't die. H8 u exceedingly unnecessary ending of 2 >:| )

I agree. There was no need to kill Hank at the end.

The voice actor was perfect to me. Tony started talking and I was like... I will listen to anything you say.

I love the refined look as well but guh no one does it proper any more, they do it like, sleazy :\ so it has dropped from my mental imagings. guh I love that brown toned one in the middle, what is that from??

:||| HIS TEEF (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JUIyiOc-_IA).

True :\ Halfway through I noticed nearly almost none of these are goatee Tony, but I don't think he's been able to pull off just the 'statche in a coon's age ;_; There was actually one panel, in IIM I think it was, where he dressed up to go to a party when he was letting Spiderman come along? And he looked totally oldschool awesome, the lighting was just dark enough the colourist couldn't spew all over Larocca's art (yes, I catalog these instances mentally). Needs more Tony going going to formal events and thus having an excuse to dress up like he did on a daily basis in the days of olde U_U For now we are stuck with member's only jackets and frump.

It's from New Universal XD He was only drawn for like 3 panels which makes me RAAAGE, I really liked that artist.

I LOL'D

The thing that always bothered me about Granov's Tony was that asjnk HE HAS NO LIPS. Freaks me out like whoa.

Tony's generally late 20s/early 30s in my head depending on the point in canon you're dealing with (basically, I picture him & Steve at their canon ages - so I actually see him as early 20s in the old Tales of Suspense stuff) but you're dead on with the killer cheekbones & long, thin-bridged nose, and your collage is closer to my mental vision of him than anyone else's yet, because there's a lot of volume 1 Heck/Colan/Layton influence in my mental images of him. Definately yes on having some arm hair/chest hair, too (though the breastplate probably rubbed a lot of it off early on, plus there's the scarring he'd have pre-Extremis. Which no one ever draws, damn it).

I tend to think of Tony with a more angular, narrowing down at the jaw kind of face, though (but with a square chin) rather than a straight rectangular/square-jawed face. Sort of a mix of Zircher & Maleev and some of the newer stuff with the old school stuff.

I think what trips me up about even late 20s and even early thirities thing is like I said in an above comment, the reality of having all that he had accomplished pre-Iron Man origin is kinda whacky to me. I could get my head around an inventive genius being early 20s, or even one who managed one main, large company with some help, but the earliest ToS stuff establishes there are a LOT of separate endeavors he's involved in business-wise, plus he's got a variety of political connections, and there's just a general sense he's been doing it for quite awhile longer than four or five years, at least I think. I can't imagine how you'd fit all that in even with comic book stretch of reality.

Oh yeah, I agree on the narrower jaw, I meant having a square chin XD In general that's what I picture, of having a longer face overall. Glad to otherwise see eye to eye with someone!

Everybody in comics is ridiculously accomplished for their age. Spiderman's already put in two/three years of costumed crime fighting before he even graduates from high school, and Reed Richards is supposed to have started college at age fourteen or something, and gotten a PhD by the time he was old enough to drink.

I tend to assume that a lot of Tony's ToS political and business connections are things he inherited from Howard Stark. I'm pretty sure he was originally intended to be at least late twenties at the very beginning, if not early thirties, given that very few captains of industry in 1963 were under thirty, but later canon has him inheriting his dad's company at 21/22 -- basically, he's kind of "always" been about 34-ish in current canon (while simultaneously always being the same age as Steve, even in early Avengers stuff where Steve was canonically mid-20s), but Marvel timeline magic applied retroactively means that if he's 34 now he has to be younger than that in previous canon.

That's why I said the typical comic book stretch of reality XD I think being a prodigy school wise/early start on costumed kid crime fighting is a lot more believeable/acceptable than most of the things Tony had under his belt in those first issues. On top of that, I love the voice actor they got for him in the sixties, and I don't think it was supposed to be one of a man in his late 20s. In general his attitude just seemed like that of an older guy back then.

Yeah, later canon screws things up because they have to cram even more, but no, I don't think there is any way at all to fit in all of his post-Iron Man backstory short of him being 70. Starting him 5-10 years earlier really is pointless in the scheme of things when you're accounting for 40+. I just meant as a perma-age, I like him to be late thirites/early fourties to account for the pre-IM stuff, it just fits a little better (to me).

I think my mental image is somewhere between the Tony in the mall with Rumiko and Santa (and btw, that looks like such a fun story... she is joking about wanting more diamonds, right?) and the Tony in the red overshirt and black T-shirt. Leanly built, with the smooth muscle contours you get from swimming/running/dancing/yoga rather than lifting weights. I see him as an endurance and flexibility person rather than a "how much weight can I lift?" person. And the same with his face - not too broad or heavily built, but no really sharp angles either.

Actually, RDJ worked well for me (as long as I suspended disbelief that Obie apparently waited at least 10-15 years after Tony took the reins of the company to make his move) except for when he was gelling his hair back... for some reason I do not like gelled hair! In contrast, I didn't much like Adi Granov's Tony in "Extremis": his face was too rounded, too smooth, and he ended up reminding me of Chip in NCIS, which was a little disconcerting!

It is really fun. She is, sort of, lol, she's had a disappointing Christmas thus far. you can dl it here (http://www.mediafire.com/?ynfnyzyyodm).

I enjoyed the look of Extremis but yeah the Tony didn't really fit in my mind. Plus he looked eerily like a guy I used to go to school with, so NO GO.

I need to post some scans from my comic books, because Tony looks so much like Tony there. He's rocking his goatee, keeps his hair shorter, because it has a tendency to curl and spiral into corkscrews when it was longer.

I actually liked Tony in the 90s, with his Trevor Fitzroy wedge and bangs, and I think the van dyke is like, the best facial scaping he's rocking. Without it, sorry to say, Tony has a small chin.

The only problem is Tony's in his suit 95% of the time and then for like another 2% all he's got is the faceplate up :C

this is the only shot of him totally out of it that I can remember off hand, actually:

oh now that I say it, there's the one with the snakes, there's a few shots of him in just a business suit in that as well.

I don't think I've ever seen this before. What's the issue?

Marvel Adventures #25 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/s3335b) :D

Eek, what's that from!?

One of my favorite Marvel Adventures, #25 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/s3335b). It is literally laugh out loud hilarious. I actually had to dig through my comics to find it on the computer, all I could remember was the cover art, not the number xD

Thank you! I love MA soooo much.

Aaannd

This is my Tony.

Growing up, he'd have done tennis (although, in that arc with Tyberius Stone, he said he was a quarterback on his college team?), swimming, sailing, etc. and since he seems to get caught up in work, superheroing, et al, he might miss a meal or three, so he has a tendency to gawk if he lost too much weight.

I was never really a fan of the Errol Flynn stache (too dated), or when they had his hair shellacked in waves. Also, Stark's face should be angular, sharp cheekbones (he has a narrow face with highly defined features).

UGH, I can't find stuff online. Depending on how cooperative my camera is feeling, I'll post.

For Steve Rogers? I actually like Cho's rendition of him. He's attractive, and big. Most artists tend to get Steve right, he's just all American, blond hair, blue eyed, even featured, with a straight nose and teeth.

Yeah, Cho is another guy who draws Tony well.

I have question, from where they come from:
- Tony Christmas-shopping with Rumiko (and asking to Santa for his present AWH)
- the ones in the right with Tony and (?)Rumiko celebrating
- Steve and the door (bottom)

thaaaaanks :)

Sorry. I deleted and reposted. It's vol 3 number 62. Not four.

To make up for taking so long to respond, I will provide you with not only issues but dls!
Christmas shopping, v3 62 (http://www.mediafire.com/?ynfnyzyyodm).
Ru and Tony, v3 33 (http://www.mediafire.com/?zmthmnyomuz)
Steve and the door, v3 9 (http://www.mediafire.com/?ty3yyyonzq3)

This has given me a lot of food for thought. I guess fanfic needs a cemented version of all the characters. I know I have one in my head but I should really get down to defining it so I don't eff up and call Tony lean in one chapter and then hunky-buff in another.

Man, comics. You're a lot of work!

I actually went through that in a fic I'm doing now xD i referred to Tony as like late 20s in one chapter than late 30s in another. OOPS.

The first is, of course, for Cap (muscular, but not OMG), the second for Tony (plus bonus!Cap, because, we all love him, isn't?)

btw, how is possible that I just noticed that Cap is calling Tony by is surname in CW? ç___ç Even when he was really angry with him, he was always Tony (and also in the begin it was Tony)

Honorable mention to Turner ç___ç. The covers art for Fallen Son are amazing .

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OH Leonardo Manco is *love*
His run on Hellblazer is some of the best Hellblazer art *ever*
I did not know he'd drawn Steve and Tony! I may have to look those up.

And yes the last name thing 0.o
Maybe it wasn't an angry thing, maybe it was a distancing thing. You know calling him Tony hurt too much so he calls him Stark so he can actually fight against him. Using the name "Stark" also ties Tony more to his company the to the man who is Steve's friend. It's ummmm crap crap I used to know the soldier word for this kind of thing but I forget. But it's like a dehumanization trick

Actually, sometimes he's 'Stark,' (he called him 'Stark' in the sparring flashbacks in Mask in the Iron Man) but Cap always used it just as informally as he did 'Tony.' So it's still wrenchingly sad.

The only black and white one is the Stark I grew up with in the eighties - wavy hair, pencil thin stache, to then a Magnum PI stache, but the Tony Stark in my head is Marvel Adventures. Fie on y'all for overlooking MA:Iron Man Stark.

So it's my digital camera and some judicious editing in picassa 3.

OH GOD IT'S BEAUTIFUL

I need to get around to reading the other MA:Iron Man issues I downloaded, sometime over the holidays. He's so cartoony and wonderful. :D

Before Rhodes looked like a broke ass second hand Deathloc (am I bitter, of course not).

Dude, what are some good torrent sites that won't cost the earth (preferably free) PM me. I'm now going to try and find some Steve Rogers pictures, but like I said, I'm easy when it comes to Steve.

PM'd!

Oh, I need those!

They cancelled the book around MA:IM 13. Too bad, I liked it, but it seemed to be a darker fare than the others. Again, too bad. It was a Tony Stark I enjoyed seeing.

I bought the first couple of issues and loved it, but then hit a spot where I didn't have the cash for comics, and after that fell out of the habit. Will definitely have to hunt up the digests.

Yay, MA:IM Tony! I like him and his series best, between the more-serious-than-most-MA tone and the amusing angst of his Daddy Issues. And goddman it that took far too long to type because my computer can't get the message that I have no interest in the Continuing Adventures Of Fail.

But it was the darkest series in the line (Dad abandoning his family, Tony having to drop out of college to turn the business around, then him not getting on with Dad because Dad is still an overbearing dick wad). But I loved the camaraderie between him and Rhodey, and him and Pepper. The adventures were plausible and fun. I think it only lasted 13 issues? So I collected all the digests I can get my hands on.

MA:IM Tony Stark is hot. Check him out in his black briefs, dayum!

The Legacy of Doom mini with Don Lim and the blessed Bob Layton on inks featured a great Tony (and also young!Tony). With, like, facial expressions even!

(http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/Bluesrat/Legacy%20of%20Doom/?action=view&current=img003.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/Bluesrat/Legacy%20of%20Doom/?action=view&current=LegacyofDoom4009copy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/Bluesrat/Legacy%20of%20Doom/?action=view&current=LegacyofDoom4010copy.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/Bluesrat/Legacy%20of%20Doom/?action=view&current=IromMan-023.jpg)

That's like, pretty classic 90s Stark there. The first picture in the first panel is like, so Tony. I don't miss the pornstashe at all.

Wow, it's been interesting trawling through the favourite Tony Stark and Steve Rogers rendering. I've only just discovered that I'm pretty easy re: Rogers, as long as he's reasonably attractive, whereas I'm all, no, Tony needs to have a van dyke, and be pretty lean, etc, etc,. I'm such a madam.

They're classic 90s artists (and what I meant to type was Ron Lim, so you can actually find him if you look him up), but this is actually a new mini--came out in April, I think. Still, I love them to pieces.

The mini is worth hunting up, too, if you haven't seen it. It's well-written, the art is pretty, Doom is very Doomy, and Merlin's a hipster.

I must be a bad slasher, because I'm pretty easy with what Steve looks like. He's all American, so he has even features, handsome, but not in an overbearing way. Whereas Tony Stark is all dark and liquid good looks, Steve is light haired and his looks aren't so intense. His looks are all-American, in the best sense of the word. The only artist I have issues with re: Captain America is David Finch. He has the body, but Finch does these strange scrunched up faces, with snubby noses and twisted mouths. However, Finch can do Captain America in terms of physicality and that great swashbuckling way of his.

Square jawed, blond hair, blue eyes. However, I insist that the artist gets Steve's physicality right. I like Ultimates Cap's body in that the artists tend to draw him in such a way that isn't too bulky. In Marvel Adventures, Cap's body is strong, bigger than everyone's but not too OTT.

I think Epting's Captain America was the one I was raised with (The Mighty Avengers circa 80s, 90s), and his Captain America was more on the lean side, never too heavy.

I must admit, Captain America during the Civil War was more hit than miss in terms of rendering, and since that's the last time I've seen Steve (more or less) I can't say.

Ultimates Captain America isn't bad, in terms of looks (the art in The Annual is a bit sketchy though).

Wow. I am so outclassed here. I've only read YA and CW. I'm going to agree with OP that I enjoy Steve built like a fucking tank. Which is weird, because I don't usually like guys drawn like that (it's one of the reasons I never got into American comics before CW). Tony I picture more lanky, just because he's got the tech on his side rather than any superpower (pre-Extremis).

Yes. Add me for another vote for BuiltLikeATank!Steve. And I, too, don't usually like the over-muscled types.

But Steve's hotness transcends usualy preferences -- including gender preferences, if the straight guys who continually drool over how hot he is on message boards are anything to go by.

I'm going to go with

jazzypom here on Tony:
Stark's face should be angular, sharp cheekbones (he has a narrow face with highly defined features).

Yes. This. My mental Tony is kind of a combo of Old Skool Don Heck/Gene Colan/Bob Layton + early volume 3 art + New School Patrick Zircher art + a little Marvel Adventures. And a sprinkling of Granov & Maleev. Narrow face, very defined cheekbones, straight, thin nose, very dark, slightly wavy hair, ridiculously long girly eyelashes. And the volume 3/current canon goatee, not the old school porn-stache.

Steve is pretty easy, most of the time. Big, football-linebacker build, blond hair and eyebrows, square jaw with a cleft in it. Your basic 'All-American' handsome. Usually I don't go for the big, muscular, really built types, but Steve is my exception (well, him and Luke Cage). My mental Steve is a little old skool Jack Kirby, a lot of volume 5 Steve Epting, a heavy dose of the way Maleev drew him in The Confession, and some volume 3 seasoning. Ultimates!Steve is actually a pretty good character-design take on him, too, despite the fact that Ult!Steve characterization is pure Jack Walker/US Agent rather than Steve Rogers.

I've also got a list of body language/physical details for them. Steve has a big, goofy grin, rubs the back of his neck when he's embarrassed or flirting, very broad shoulders, solidly built, can occasionally be a klutz when he's not fighting or dancing, etc. Tony rubs his chin/runs his hand through his hair/rests his chin on his hands when he's thinking, etc.

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Ach, it's like, only four people here who like Ultimates

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I really like Cho's Steve

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I... liked the Fitzroy wedge laughs

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