cap_ironman | 10 Years of MCU Week 5 Discussion: Avengers: Infinity War (SPOILER ZONE)

Very disappointing. They didn't share a single (1) scene. So much for the reunion I was hoping for.

We didn't even get Steve picking up the bloody phone hoping it's Tony. Ugh. I'm so disappointed. I can't even.

At least we know Tony's going to save everyone in the next part? And the after credits was great. But UGH.

I'm sad they didn't get the phone scene, too.

I didn't realize until hours later that we missed this T_T I hope that we get lots of fic that fixed this :)

I actually loved it to bits???
When the credits rolled I was stunned because it didn’t feel that long and it kept me at the edge of my seat the whole time. No unnecessary lull that bored me.

I love how it felt like everyone has good parts and not focusing on certain key characters.

I’m kind of glad they didn’t rush the reunion/the talk though, because I had this hope that it would be treated respectfully at the right time, and apparently there was no time at all XD Don’t let me down, Russos! *narrows eyes at Avengers 4*.

Two moments that made me squealed right there at the theater:
When Steve said earth just lost its strongest defender, I assumed he meant Tony???? Bc it was scenes after the anchor scene that mentioned Tony Stark missing???
When Steve said ‘home’ after Sam? asked where to head the quinjet. AND THEY WENT TO COMPOUND AW STEEEVE I was so worried that they were going to Wakanda.

RHODEY! Rhodey looking out for Sam!!!! And looking for Sam at the end T_T

What happened was totally what Strange saw on that one scenario that they won though. That schemer.

Tony’s new suit. I thought there was gonna be Sailor Moon-like transformation or something, but that’s okay that there wasn’t bc it was awesome????

I thought Thanos was a good villain. I like that he was a goal-driven villain and not power-hungry, and that he stopped when he’s achieved his goal.

Pls excuse the incoherency. This movie really shook me

Loved it to bits too!

I loved that we had such unexpected combinations - Thor & Rocket, wtf, I adored their interactions - and the plot and, well, Thanos. Great villain there.

I thought Steve meant Tony too and Tony always carries the phone with him and he's still so torn about the whole thing. And home is the Compound! Two years after and it's still hooome.

I don't think it's too insane to hope for more material next movie - after all, Strange's plan seemed to hinge on Tony surviving and all the original Avengers seem to be alive - plus it's a great starting point for fic.

I don't think it's too insane to hope for more material next movie - after all, Strange's plan seemed to hinge on Tony surviving and all the original Avengers seem to be alive - plus it's a great starting point for fic.

Yes. Actually this whole movie was like a fic fodder XD. That damn flip phone that Tony carried around for two years but was never used. And Steve looked so angsty the whole time and calling Tony earth's best defender (I thought it was strongest, but it was best XD). It's so weird that there were good Stevetony moments when they didn't even share a single scene.

Yes, Thor & Rocket that was so good! "Rabbit" I loved it.

Same. I had an unexpectedly good time for a movie that didn't give me the reunion I'd hoped for. I do hope Avengers 4 is THE Steve/Tony movie though. IT BETTER BE.

Two moments that made me squealed right there at the theater:
When Steve said earth just lost its strongest defender, I assumed he meant Tony???? Bc it was scenes after the anchor scene that mentioned Tony Stark missing???
When Steve said ‘home’ after Sam? asked where to head the quinjet. AND THEY WENT TO COMPOUND AW STEEEVE I was so worried that they were going to Wakanda.

SAME!!! And when after all his "the Avengers mean more to you than me" speeches in CW him "going home" there WAS SO GOOD!! And then it was actually the compound! I'm still so glad about that.

I also still love that Tony, while he never gets to make that call, CARRIED the phone around.

My husband laughed at me for squealing at all of these.

I loved the Rhodey and Sam bits, too!!!

What happened was totally what Strange saw on that one scenario that they won though. That schemer.

With his words at the end, that HAS to be it. We better get Tony and the gauntlet next time and Strange having protected him, because THAT IS THE scenario that saves them next time. *wibbles*

I had my worried about Thanos, but I agree. He was a good villain.

And after credit's scene! Carol! GIVE ME!

SAME!!! And when after all his "the Avengers mean more to you than me" speeches in CW him "going home" there WAS SO GOOD!! And then it was actually the compound! I'm still so glad about that.

IMAGINE in the last two years Steve pining for the compound and its residents. Steve feeling homesick for something from post-ice is just such a wonderful thing. I know in AoU he said he was home, but the way it was executed/shot, it was like he was just saying it in front of Tony. It made me so happy that he actually meant it.

I also still love that Tony, while he never gets to make that call, CARRIED the phone around.

OMG YES. Even when he was jogging? I think? he carried it. And had been for two years. And that conflicted reaction when Bruce asked him to make a call? Gold. I can't believe there were great Stevetony moments and they didn't even share a scene.

Steve pining away in the MCU is my absolute favorite headcanon. XD I can just imagine that he needed to be all like "this isn't my home" and leave to REALIZE that he actually had found something that WAS his home and had turned his back to it. I always thought that in AoU he comes across like someone who is accepting that he won't be happy in the way he wanted to be, so him saying home then is more saying "my place is being Captain America" - and then he gives that up and now he finally means it because maybe he can allow himself to admit that he wants things? Idk. I love the complicated mess he is.

OMG YES. Even when he was jogging? I think? he carried it. And had been for two years. And that conflicted reaction when Bruce asked him to make a call? Gold. I can't believe there were great Stevetony moments and they didn't even share a scene.

Hehe. Right! And it is CHARGED and ready and it's obvious that he has flipped it open a thousand times and stared at it. That is pure gold.

Steve pining away in the MCU is my absolute favorite headcanon.

THIS. OMG SO MUCH THIS. I wholeheartedly agree that Steve's the one who's pining in the MCU and it makes all their past interactions make so much more sense.

And it is CHARGED and ready and it's obvious that he has flipped it open a thousand times and stared at it.

I can imagine he ranted about where on earth could he get an ancient charger for the frickin flip phone. Rogers was such a dinosaur etc etc
I wonder if he set up a protocol with Friday to make a call to Steve in case of the end of the world because Tony's a fan of back up plans but he carried the flip phone with him anyway because it was a small comfort knowing that Steve would come if he called. And he would hate himself for that. I like pain.

Yes, he probably built something to make it easier to charge "the stupid thing" and grumbled about it while he did it. XD

I can totally imagine that he would take comfort from carrying the thing around - not that he would EVER admit it.

Steve pining away in the MCU is my absolute favorite headcanon. XD

OMG this. I mean, the news about Tony & Pepper must be all over the tv so he knows about it and he's just piiiiining. :D I love that to bits.

And also the part that Tony had an unanswered message on that phone (someone grabbed a screenshot) which means that Steve tried to reach Tony again!

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I might be wrong, but I think this just is the saved contact, not a missed call. Though I'd like it to be different too. ;)

Well the presence of an unopened text message at the top means someone texted Tony and he hasn't read it. It could be spam for all we know! But... I think it's A+ trolling by Marvel and we're certainly going to read meaning into it, right???? :-)

Oh yeah! And for sure ;)

I couldn't agree more!

Plus, Tony carrying around the phone? Yes please!

Plus, Tony carrying around the phone? Yes please!

Yes, I loved it so much. When he just pulled it out of the pocket so casually, hehe. "Not on speaking terms, Bruce. Oh, yeah, ehm this? I just keep it with me at all times. Nothing to it."

I can just imagine him occasionally taking the phone out, staring at the contact, muttering about whatever it is that just bothers him and that he impulsively wanted to say to Steve and then berating himself and putting it away again.

Oh god, yes, he would totally be like that. He probably stuffs the phone into his pocket impulsively the first time, gets angry at himself or Steve for even doing that, puts it back, and then next day takes it with him again. considers calling, hopes Steve will call - but nothing happens. And he keeps muttering at it and finally just keeps it close.

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Exactly! And it some point it's almost therapeutic to have it with him. It's like having Steve in his pocket that he can rant to without any backlash. It's a little piece of hope that keeps him going through the rough days, that makes him feel safe. It's a connection to his family. Dyfunctional maybe, but still his family.

Yes. I'm having more feels.

You're not alone with that.

But Steve sent a text message. *_*

XD Yes

And muttering about flip phones every single time and feeling so offended.

Don't forget: Tony not only carries that phone, but keeps it charged too.

YES!

Naturally. ;) It just goes to show how much he cares that he even touches the thing, never mind carrying it with him for two years.

Mostly commenting to say: I agree with everything you said about Tony, Steve, Rhodey, and Strange. Given that Tony didn't get to see Steve or the rest of the team except for Bruce (which was awesome) and given that there wasn't even a phonecall, I was still happy with what the movie did with the both of them, showing us very clearly where they are at and what they think about each other, all of which made sense to me. I was pretty thrown, in a good way, by both the "defender" comment and the "home" from Steve, I would not have expected that. And while I'm not usually fond of "interrupted right before a character can do/say the important thing" plot devices, I also felt like there wasn't time and space for a reconciliation in this movie. So to see Tony conflicted and almost making the call (and having the phone on him on a simple stroll out with Pepper in the first place!) before being the first to run into danger when he's interrupted? Good enough.

/also, hi guys, I've been a lurker around here so far, still pretty new to the fandom compared to others, but decided to jump in just now

Hello! Always nice to see new people jump in!! :D

I loved the Tony and Bruce meeting too and also that Bruce was the one who called the rest finally.

I was still happy with what the movie did with the both of them, showing us very clearly where they are at and what they think about each other, all of which made sense to me.

Yes. I was sad that they didn't at least get an interrupted phone call, because I think Steve going "Tony? Tony??? Tony?!!!" without getting an answer would have killed me. But I think that despite them not talking the film managed to show where they are with each other. I think I liked what we got better than I would have a rushed reconciliation that just ignores all of their issues and then jumps over what happened in CW completely.

I was pretty thrown, in a good way, by both the "defender" comment and the "home" from Steve, I would not have expected that. And while I'm not usually fond of "interrupted right before a character can do/say the important thing" plot devices, I also felt like there wasn't time and space for a reconciliation in this movie.

True. It was so packed and with the big cast there wasn't much time to do it justice.

I'm glad who wasn't the only one the small bits we got resonated with. XD

God same. My husband

also that Bruce was the one who called the rest finally

Yes, that was a nice moment, when Tony was gone and he picked it out of the rubble. Bruce was great throughout the whole movie, I really liked his scenes with everyone and his struggle with the Hulk.

And I thought it was a storytelling feat to pull this many characters and movie strands together and not only have a coherent plot, but actually have lots of characters scenes and interactions that made sense for where all these people were coming from. Which means that I enjoyed all the Steve and Tony scenes no matter who they were with, because it felt like the movie did them right.

Plus, the set-up for post-movie fanfic is pretty good and I like that this puts Steve and Tony in a different position from where they were at the end of CW - not via reconciliation yet but via lots of other stuff happening to them and therefore changing where they are at mentally and emotionally.

Hi there! I really enjoyed reading your comments, they were very eloquently put :)

And I thought it was a storytelling feat to pull this many characters and movie strands together and not only have a coherent plot, but actually have lots of characters scenes and interactions that made sense for where all these people were coming from. Which means that I enjoyed all the Steve and Tony scenes no matter who they were with, because it felt like the movie did them right.

This. It blew my mind seeing this movie because apparently, ensemble superhero movies could be a good movie. I honestly did not expect it to be this good, having seen Avengers 1&2 and JL. And yes, it didn't even cross my mind to hope for a shared scene between Steve and Tony because I was too excited in following the plot. It was a really good writing.

Plus, the set-up for post-movie fanfic is pretty good and I like that this puts Steve and Tony in a different position from where they were at the end of CW - not via reconciliation yet but via lots of other stuff happening to them and therefore changing where they are at mentally and emotionally.

I agree. This movie is perfect catalyst to speed up the making up process, but in a respectful way. This problem is bigger than their shared ones. And whatever still left unresolved between them would seem much less significant than saving earth and hopefully they would be much more amenable to make up and move on.

Thank you :)

And yeah, I went into this with pretty low expectations to be honest, and there were several scenes where I was just impressed with how well all the pieces fell into place.

Yeah, I agree it was really well done for a story about such a big cast. Everyone got to shine a little and show their skills and convictions. I expected to be disappointed in that regard and instead it really surprised me how well all characters were handled.

I just really enjoy how Steve "loves and admires" Tony from afar, OKAY? XD

(yay more fans!)

I loved it to bits too!! Everything! (My jaw dropped open when that was where they ended) I thought it was very entertaining. I had very few "needs" from this movie and they were all met (i.e. Steve & Tony surviving being a biggie)

I really liked that they didn't force the confrontation here. I hope that means there'll be a nice reuninon in Av4, but even just now this whole movie felt like an epic statement on "Avengers should work together", and specifically "Tony and Steve need to work together to solve this".

Rhodey looking out for Sam was so great! Did he call him "Sammy" at one point or did I mishear?

ANyway. I have all the feels and I had a blast.

Rhodey looking out for Sam was so great! Did he call him "Sammy" at one point or did I mishe

ooh when I saw your comment I just had to confirm it when I saw it again because sammy??? so cute???
but I think Rhodey said sth like: sam, ya gonna get your wings fried, but really fast? and it sounded like sammy because of that. my eas could be wrong though.

speaking of Rhodey, there was something bugging me about him when he had an argument with Ross, because that scene sounded like Rhodey changed his mind about the accord, and Cap was right all along. Idk if Rhodey said that just to piss off Ross or genuinely having second thoughts, but I thought it was bad taste to treat the issue of the accord that way, so lightly, when Civil War was still so fresh.

I really liked that they didn't force the confrontation here. I hope that means there'll be a nice reuninon in Av4, but even just now this whole movie felt like an epic statement on "Avengers should work together", and specifically "Tony and Steve need to work together to solve this".

So much this.

Oh yeah, I also wasn't sure about "sammy" vs "sam ya" when I watched it :-)

Yeah, I felt like when Rhodey said that, he was saying more like he understood that Ross & Co aren't the people to work with. Not that he specifically disagrees with the accords. I know I'm reaching a bit here, but the idea that Rhodey changed his mind from the last CW scene to now without a reason why, is kind of too weird to consider. I do think he believes in the Accords (maybe not in current shape) but I also think that doesn't mean he thinks Cap & the others should be fugitives.

I like the idea that they can disagree about policy/politics and still work together.

I basically agree with this. The scene between Rhodey and Steve really could have done with a sentence or two of internal conflict/hesitation from Rhodey, that would have made it less jarring. But not only is Tony missing and possibly presumed dead again, which means Rhodey is holding the fort alone (Vision is gone as well at that point), but in a situation that dire, with Thanos a minute away, Ross is still insisting on calling Steve et al war criminals who are to be hunted instead of trying for any kind of constructive and helpful solution. That wouldn't sit well with Rhodey regardless of his stance on the Accords, so when Steve shows up at personal risk to help, he's okay with that. (My actual problem is that they made Ross the sole face and executor of the Accords after T'Chaka's death, but that's a left-over Civil War problem.)

I'm so relieved that but Steve and Tony made it out alive. I really didn't think that there was any way that was going to happen. I thought that the character interactions and I agree that the Rhodey/S moments were previous ( hey there, new dude shop). Steve and Tony's reunion in Avengers 4 is going to be all that much sweeter after another year of pinning. And maybe we'll see more hopeful/positive fics? Anyway, I'm excited.

Side note: anyone else really bothered by Wanda's lack of accent?? What happened?

Dude shop?! Thanks, autocorrect. I meant side ship. How embarrassing.

XD Rhodey & Sam's arc does give more context to what kind of relationship they had between AoU and CACW, while training together at the Compound. It looks like Tony's not the only one who's become a mentor.

Steve and Tony's reunion in Avengers 4 is going to be all that much sweeter after another year of pinning

Yes. I'd rather they didn't share a scene at all rather than having a half-assed one.

I don't know, dude shop sounds weirdly fitting for them.

I don't suppose there's a discord open where people are discussing? I have many thoughts.

There's no official Cap/Iron Man Discord except for events, but there is a 18+ MCU Steve/Tony server with an IW channel that's been having discussion. You can find it here:
https://discord.gg/z5WSqbS

You can share all your thoughts here! This post is meant for all kinds of discussions :)

I genuinely adored the movie even if Steve and Tony had next to no content whatsoever.

Steve calls Tony the world's greatest defender??? Tony has been carrying the phone around ON HIS PERSON for the past two years????? GOD????? the MCU is feeding us table scraps but god if I won't take what I can get

(Steve losing Bucky again was actually the worst possible thing, plus Tony losing Peter right after alskdfjsldkfjasd I WAS A SOBBING MESS IN THE THEATER)

Yes to everything. This movie has small Stevetony moments but with huge significance. I love it.

Steve losing Bucky again was actually the worst possible thing

And the way he looked so lost, and I think he said 'I don't know' when Nat asked what happened (I remember this scene vaguely, feel free to correct me), I don't think I've ever seen Steve so clueless, he always looked like he had a plan, like he was in control. Very refreshing to see this side of Steve. His character development since CACW has been most amazing to see. It's like he's more real.

GOD now that I'm trying to remember it exactly I can't remember who said what, but I definitely remember the utter confusion and helplessness from Steve. The "Oh, God." line actually gutted me entirely. Steve Rogers at a loss for words is the worst possible god damn thing.

BUT YES absolutely agreed, even if we didn't get a whole lot of time with him in this movie (which is entirely understandable, considering the size of the cast) I still think they did a perfect job with what little characterization we could witness. The conversations with Vision ("We don't trade lives.") his rebuttal to Ross, TAKING ON THANOS 1V1. HONESTLY. I love Steven Grant Rogers with my whole heart and if I have to watch him die next year I will actually lose it.

"We don't trade lives."

Thanks for reminding me of that bit! (All of it went by so quickly.) This was a bit like a shared theme, several characters (Strange, Gamora/Peter, Thanos, Wanda,...) had to make that choice in different situations. And it fits that Steve is the one with the principle here.

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Steve losing Bucky again is the worst thing for him.

And Tony being alone in space, seeing everyone he cares about around him die and being the one left standing is clearly Tony's.

The poor heartbroken boys!

But unlike Tony's vision in AoU, he didn't actually see Steve die in front of him, so at some point he'll get to find out that Steve and the orginal team are all still alive. At least I hope he does. I'm so curious how they are going to play all this in the next one.

I have quite a few guesses based on some comic book stuff, but I'm curious what they'll change there as well since they did change quite a lot already. Thanos himself, for starters, his whole motivation is completely different.

And I would guess that Tony will get on one of the spaceships that should still be around him (Nebula, Guardians) and return to Earth, with hopefully some nice reunions happening there!

I kind of wonder if Tony even knows that ANYONE from Earth survived. Like, he knows Nebula is alive, but everyone from Earth was wiped away. He doesn't know it was half the people, does he? Only Gamora knows that, I think?

The Avengers on earth know that some people survived because at least Steve, Nat, Thor, Bruce are still around...but to Tony, the only reason he is alive is because Strange traded the Infinity Stone for him. I think Tony doesn't know there's anyone alive on Earth at that point.... Yikes.

Didn't Thanos say that in his presence as well? I would need to see it again, but I thought Tony knew as well that that was his end goal. But I might misremember things, maybe someone else can give us more clarity :D

Oh, very nice observation about Steve being so lost at the end! There was no more fighting to be done, no more plan to be made. And I loved that there was no score at the end, all the people just disappearing in almost silence. Really emphasized that they'd already lost, that the fight was over before they knew what was happening.

And I loved that there was no score at the end,

I didn't notice about the score, I was too shocked because it was so sudden XD. But yes I love how they treated the disappearances. Very straightforward but still poetic. No pain (except for those who were left behind lol), or gore stuff, it was just like what Thanos said when he considered it a mercy.

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Glad you enjoyed it too!!

Steve calls Tony the world's greatest defender??? Tony has been carrying the phone around ON HIS PERSON for the past two years????? GOD????? the MCU is feeding us table scraps but god if I won't take what I can get

Same! And these were GOOD TABLE SCRAPS, OOOOKAY? XD

I knew in my bones the Peter moment was coming, but that was so, so bad and Tony's lost grieving face... ARGH.

And Steve, oh no. I'm seeing it again later today, so I can take notes on all the anguish.

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LOSING PETER WAS 5 MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN I COULD HAVE EVER ANTICIPATED AND I WILL LITERALLY NEVER FORGIVE MARVEL EVEN IF THEY BRING HIM BACK TO LIFE

but god yeah I'm honestly pleased with what little we did get, I'm sure we'll get our solid reunion in 4, at the very least.

Yeah, god, the way Tony catches him in his arms and everything... so much PAIN. T_T

Yes! I loved this movie so much. I went in expecting to be okay with it, and as the movie progressed I was more and more going "oh hey i'm really...loving this?? sofar?? yep? still?? loving it???" and after I walked out I felt so... satisfied with the level of pain delivered.

I LOVE that both Steve & Tony are sitting on their respective plantes angsting like hell! <3

Yikes, I do not remember this 'greatest defender' moment that everyone's talking about haha, but I thought it was a pretty decent movie! Given the pt. 2 set photos and all, they are clearly gearing up for a United We Stand scenario after this one failed. I think Tony's conversation in the beginning with Pepper about dreams and reality mixing up was significant...and possibly foreshadowing??

Anyway, good moments: The Phone Drama--my god, it was gay. Tony stuttering over how he and Steve aren't talking and Bruce in total disbelief. Steve's longing expressions of longing. I do wish Tony and Stephen got along...like Tony has spent 6 years planning defense and begging everyone to get in on it, so why make him douchey and hostile at Dr. Strange when shit's actually going down? @mcu end this trope

My mans Tony and Thor stopping moons and reigniting stars with their damn body!!! About damn time Thor was a god, but I really enjoyed IM's physical fights with Thanos. He basically utilized every military tactic from Roman legion to futuristic lasers and it was ~~perfect~~.

I also enjoyed the team back on Earth, how back-to-back and united everyone was without creepily setting Steve up as the head of Wakanda's armies or whatever. Cackled at Steve and T'challa nyooooming it before the armies.

OKOYE'S JUDGEMENT FACE when Bruce tripped in the Hulkbuster omg!!

Not sure what was up with Thanos' backstory tho? I don't understand how to feel about it, so imma just leave it. I didn't expect the ending, but it was more confounding than emotional, really. Definitely had a 'ooh wonder what's gonna happen next' feel to it, so I'm not too broken up. All in all, it left me wanting the Avengers 4! <3

Yikes, I do not remember this 'greatest defender' moment that everyone's talking about haha

I saw on tumblr it was actually best defender. I thought Steve said greatest, but in my defence I was hardly incoherent when I wrote that XD

My mans Tony and Thor stopping moons and reigniting stars with their damn body!!! About damn time Thor was a god, but I really enjoyed IM's physical fights with Thanos. He basically utilized every military tactic from Roman legion to futuristic lasers and it was ~~perfect~~.

Yes. It was my 2nd fav Thor after Thor 1. I thought he was treated very properly, as a god. And that show of power in Wakanda is just. Damn.
I know nothing about military tactic, I wish I could so I could swoon more XD But yeah Tony was magnificent and crazr brave and even Thanos was impressed. I'm so proud of him.

OKOYE'S JUDGEMENT FACE when Bruce tripped in the Hulkbuster omg!!

XDDD
When I saw that Hulk Buster, I wondered what Steve felt like, seeing that familiar armor so close but Tony's not there T_T

I saw on tumblr it was actually best defender. I thought Steve said greatest, but in my defence I was hardly incoherent when I wrote that XD

Haha, same for me. I squeed out loud in the theater, but it was so fast and I had all the feels at once about it.

When I saw that Hulk Buster, I wondered what Steve felt like, seeing that familiar armor so close but Tony's not there T_T

Oh god, why do you give me these feels????

Oh god, why do you give me these feels????

Oh oh and when he walked the halls of the compound, what if so many things reminded him of Tony and maybe he went into Tony's office/ rooms before they flew to Wakanda, just because.

When I saw that Hulk Buster, I wondered what Steve felt like, seeing that familiar armor so close but Tony's not there T_T

Ayyyy, and here I thought I had no stevetony feels for this movie. For real tho, Evans did PERFECT in this movie, just with Cap's physical nuances, just like AoU. I remember when they were talking about getting the stone out of Vision, and he said he knew somebody, I really expected him to say 'Tony' instead of Shuri because his expression was so longing. I love the idea that he keeps having to remind himself that he has to think of Tony alternatives.

I wonder how many times he Steve ran into a situation and thought, I should get Tony and--oh.

I love the idea that he keeps having to remind himself that he has to think of Tony alternatives.

YES I love this. Tony alternatives XD
Not to mention coming back to the compound and seeing Tony in every single inch of it. No wonder he was so sullen and looking sad the whole time T_T

That is one line Steve says to Ross when he and the rest step into the compound. I don't know why, but it stood out to me then!

Yes, I agree that this is basically the build up, now that we had "divided we fall", they can finally get together and fight back and swing this around.

That is an interesting point about that scene with Pepper. I'm going to see it again later, and I think I'll have to pay more attention to what's said there.

I loved Tony employing all the tactics and the way he utilized all the tools at his disposal against such an enemy. I just LOVED the fight scenes with him in this. And the suit is so perfect. T_T

And Thor - he had such sad, sad moments and that made all his awesome god moment EVEN BETTER!! I loved what they did with him, so much.

I also enjoyed the team back on Earth, how back-to-back and united everyone was without creepily setting Steve up as the head of Wakanda's armies or whatever.

I agree. That was very well handled!

OKOYE'S JUDGEMENT FACE when Bruce tripped in the Hulkbuster omg!!

I loved it! XD

I'm waiting till this weekend to watch it again-- I'll look out for that scene!

Fucking hell @ Thor's whole arc in IW. Like, I really want him and Tony to give each other an extra large hug bc Tony's gonna bear the burden of losing 1/2 of earth and Thor is the absolute last of his people left (except for wherever Sif and Valkyrie are).

Interesting point about Tony and Pepper's conversation at the beginning! I was too caught up in the content to think about the dream part being significant. Might be a red herring, but still intriguing. ETA: You know, I actually think this points towards the fact that Tony's vision from AoU and his worst nightmares in the wake of New York actually came true in this very movie.

I didn't mind the Tony and Strange interactions, I thought they had a lovely little arc in this - I mean, Tony didn't actually know Strange at all before this and to suddenly be confronted with his worst nightmare and to have this slightly arrogant guy who deals in magic of all things? He's certainly going to be on the defensive for a bit. But I loved that they had actual discussions about plans, that somewhere in the middle, Tony told him very clearly "I've had this guy in my head for six years, this is my plan [to confront Thanos on his own planet to keep him away from earth], but I'm not sure it's the best one, what do you think?" That was great and exactly the kind of thing I wanted from Tony.

And Tony's new suit was awesome indeed, loved the use of nano-technology.

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I didn't mind the Tony and Strange interactions, I thought they had a lovely little arc in this - I mean, Tony didn't actually know Strange at all before this and to suddenly be confronted with his worst nightmare and to have this slightly arrogant guy who deals in magic of all things? He's certainly going to be on the defensive for a bit. But I loved that they had actual discussions about plans, that somewhere in the middle, Tony told him very clearly "I've had this guy in my head for six years, this is my plan [to confront Thanos on his own planet to keep him away from earth], but I'm not sure it's the best one, what do you think?" That was great and exactly the kind of thing I wanted from Tony.

I just wanted to say how much I agree with every word of this! I just saw it again and this time it even hit me harder that despite them being confrontational Tony turns it around by laying out his reasons for not jumping right into action to get them back to earth. When he asks, "Doctor, do you concur?" that in itself is such a profound character moment. And then Strange lays out how his first duty is to protect the Infinity Stone whatever happens to Peter or Tony - and that is such an important character moment for him, and I loved how it ends with Tony basically agreeing. ("Good, moral compass.")

It's all so fraught with tension, but I think it is very strongly built around the foundations of these characters and explains why the end up working pretty well together pretty quickly - even though they're not friends.

Yes, all of this! I generally loved that, given how much stress he was under, Tony was comparatively clear and open about his own thoughts and emotions and how they might be affecting him? Trying to keep his head and taking in everything that was happening and that other people were saying. Guy has done some soul-searching over the last few years me thinks.

Also, re: Tony laying out his reasons - they made so much sense for him. Civil War especially was all about the collateral damage that fighting on earth does and he just saw parts of New York getting damaged again - of course he'd try to have the battle somewhere else.

"Good, moral compass."

Yes. Loved that moment. And he was so caught on the wrong foot when Strange didn't seem to honour that later.

I really loved that despite all the sniping between Strange and Tony, there was this moment of genuine care when Tony rushed over to him, when Stephen was locked in his hell-vision of all the millions of futures. And Tony, who can spot a panic attack from a mile away, thinks that's what's happening and calls out to him something like "You're okay, you're back!" This is to a guy he doesn't like at all. Tony just cares SO MUCH.

OKOYE'S JUDGEMENT FACE when Bruce tripped in the Hulkbuster omg!!

The best.

Oh and about the dreams/reality conversation with Pepper, I thought it was meant to foreshadow the way his nightmare came through. He explicitly says that he had Thanos in his head for years, so now it became a reality.

(Also Pepper's little grab for his hand when Strange showed up was really good too. She's SO not ready for what happens next.)

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It's around the time when they head to the compound, I think? (I only saw it once). But like, everyone had a shot of Tony's photo on TV so people know he went up into space along with the alien ship.

And then when they head back to the compound either when Steve is talking to Ross or around that time, he just says that (about the best defender... )

Yeah idk, I have no memory of this! People were quoting it on tumblr and I didn't even know Steve'd said it, much less about Tony. Haha, I suppose I have no choice but to see it again :DD

Oh agony.

(I have to resist for a week or so, to let it settle before I see it again with fresh eyes)

Agreed with everyone else pretty much.

I think Thanos’s plan is dumb but idk if that was intentional or not. He claims to be doing everyone a favor by killing half the universe but that’s going to have major consequences. Power vacuums, Civil Wars(not the Marvel kind), loss of a good chunk of the work force, new orphans with no source of income, those are all just as bad for society as overpopulation could be. Not to mention there’s nothing stopping overpopulation from happening again assuming the other stuff doesn’t kill everyone first.

Then again he is the “mad Titan” so like maybe we were supposed to find his plan completely illogical and insane? Idk how I feel

Yeah...I don't think much logic was going into his plan. And I swear I will only forgive the tears and the long-ass backstory if Gomora and Nebula get to stab him in the end. Otherwise, that was a waste of screentime ~~which could have gone to Steve and Tony longing for each other~~.

I loved it. I don't have the energy to type up my own reaction post, so I'll just keep responding to comments here. But I thought it was hugely entertaining and it gave me basically the dynamic I wanted (pining Steve, reluctant Tony, heroes the both of them) along with some fun action and humour. I definitely look forward to what comes next now!

I really enjoyed the movie, it was a good stab to the feels you know?
Also I get to translate all my “Steve Thinks Tony is Dead” feelings from AA onto the MCU

Also I get to translate all my “Steve Thinks Tony is Dead” feelings from AA onto the MCU

10/10 would definitely read!

Well, I can't say nothing that hasn't been already told, Tony's new amazing armor, carrying Steve's phone all this time, Tony's intense moments with Strange and Quill (those were my favorites), Tony always looking out for Peter, fighting Thanos with everything he got, a blast after blast and one wondering how things would end. And the rest of the cast were awesome too.

But there are two things that got me thinking. One was that Tony never got the chance to fight at the side of the original team, like at all (Bruce couldn't even transform back then, but at lest there was an small Bruce and Tony warm moment), what leads me to think that in Avengers 4 all the team will get back together.

Two, Thanos KNEW WHO TONY WAS. Like, the moment Thanos said "Stark" it felt like a punch in the face to me (and probably to Tony too), how did Thanos knew? Was it because of the stones or he send spies to earth? There is something fishy about that.

Another small detail is Red Skull cameo, I always wondered what the hell happened to him, now we know.

Loki saying "We got a Hulk" was pure gold.

And finally, despite how awesome and breathtaking the movie was, it practically killed all the new ships that involved Tony: no StarkQuill, IronStrange, Stucky and IronPanther, there will only be Stony from the time being.

My theory is that they get their hands on at least the Time Stone somehow and reverse things to the point that they are all together and fight together. We saw the "Devided we fall" part, I think the second part is "Together we stand".

As for Thanos knowing Tony, didn't he say something along the lines that he, too, is cursed with knowing? Maybe this is a hint that Tony has something that Thanos has too, something that lets him wield the stones? Because it felt that Strange traded the stone for Tony because in the one outcome they won in, Tony was there. Tony was needed. Maybe because Tony is the only one who can wield all stones without being consumed by it as well?

I think Tony is the key to reversing everything, otherwise Strange wouldn't have spared him.

My guess is that they somehow get the gauntlet and either Tony or Steve are able to wear it and make reverse everything.

The only thing is, for the soul stone, will they need to sacrifice someone in order to wield it? And if so, who is going to die? And maybe stay dead?

I loved this movie, even if it did feel like a punch to the gut sometimes.

Tony and Strange's interactions were amazing. Two very skilled, arrogant men trying to do what they think is best and working together.

Peter's "I saw this really old movie. It was called Aliens." OMG, I feel old. And Tony's look!

The only problem I had was that they didn't just cut Thanos' arm off. Like, why go to that all trouble of trying to get the gauntlet off? Just cut the arm off and be done with it!

And I was ready to strangle Starlord when he woke Thanos up! Like, up, Peter, really? I know you're grieving, but you just messed everything up!

Sorry if this rambled, but I have feels!

I was wondering too why they didn't cut it off, but maybe they know of some rule of the Infinity Stones and the one who wears them we don't? Maybe they can't while he wears them? Or they were worried what could happen if they did that and there's one last movement activating them or something.

And oh god, yes, what the hell was that Quill, you could have punished him to your heart's content AFTER he lost the freaking Gauntlet.

First thing: I'm quoting everything said above.
Second thing: I'm not an anti, I really love Pepper and I think in a not!super world they could work, but in this movie, they enlightened the reason I don't see Pepper/Tony works. You can't still be bothered by something so important for Tony! Am I the only?
Third thing: Peter!!! ç_____ç

I agree when it comes to Pepper. I really liked them as a couple in the first two, it still worked there. But once she had a problem with something that is such a big part of Tony and that he clearly won't just give up, it fell apart there. You can't build a relationship when you need your partner to change an essential part of him/her, and that's what she is asking here. I would have preferred it if they were left as close friends or, and that would be even better, if they hadn't given her this hesitance and instead made her Rescue.
I can't see the woman who went along with SHIELD agents and helped Tony stop Obadiah (in many ways) in the first movie or that stayed and helped taking down Hammer and coordinating the evacuation as someone hating Iron Man. Maybe she's scared (for Tony and of the Iron Man, in a sense), but I still don't feel that is doing the character justice. She is kickass in her own way and it feels, to me, that they're taking it away from her by making her the nagging wife trope.

Quoting everything!

I completely agree. I know she gets scared for him when he's fighting. And I know that they have come to some sort of balance about him being an absent-minded genius, flaky workaholic. But Tony IS Iron Man. He will always be the one who goes to cut the wire (or lie down on it if he has to). And I hate it that they keep showing her as someone who can't deal with it while at the same time presenting them as "relationship goals." Relationship rule #1 is you can't make the other person change.

Maybe the end of A4 will have Tony finally retire, but that's not in-character for him if trouble came knocking on Earth's door again. (Now if they had introduced Riri a few movies ago...)

Meanwhile, I'm over here fangirling over The Phone with everyone else here. :-)

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